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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

OP posts:
Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 19/08/2015 12:52

I think your DP isnt telling you the whole truth, i think your MIL may have threatened to boycot the wedding ... she may be stirring .. hes trying to keep his family happy above yours. You give good reasons about seating plans. His family dont like being told no. At this point i would have canx and if i still wanted to het married, invite parents only, have a meal then a party.

badtime · 19/08/2015 12:53

Not partner, girlfriend of 2 months. How long it will last is not the question. I think it is perfectly reasonable to not really consider this an 'established' partner.

And the OP's fiance seems much more controlling, with his emotional blackmail and ultimatums. I don't understand why everyone seems to think the OP's views on who should come to her wedding are irrelevant.

EponasWildDaughter · 19/08/2015 12:56

OP - start another thread. Different MN name. Different title. Do it in a couple of days, maybe on the Relationships board here, and word it something like:

''How do i handle the fact that i am only able to invite 2 guests to my wedding on my side due to my fiance's large family taking all the spaces.'' and take it from there.

Don't say anything about the brothers girlfriend; it's all beside the point.

I get the problem, I had a similar issue at my wedding, we sorted it out.

LazyLohan · 19/08/2015 12:58

OP, in 10 years time you are not going to care if there was one extra guest you didn't have to pay for at your wedding. You WILL care if you feel like you had an unpleasant atmosphere hanging over your wedding and tension with DP and the ILs over what is a fairly petty issue.

It's really not worth causing bad feeling over this and you are fighting a battle which really isn't worth the outcome. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

ovenchips · 19/08/2015 12:59

I don't know much about anxiety and how it would manifest itself in your remarks which come across as controlling and unpleasant so I can't offer any advice on that.

But to say you are trying to protect your OH's brother as he's on the spectrum really does not make sense. It very much sounds like a kneejerk justification for you not wanting her there. Your OH and his brother want her there and that should be justification enough for her to come.

FWIW I had a small wedding and invited more than one 'stranger' (ie people I had never even met). They came as 'plus one's to people we did want there. We wanted to make sure our guests had a good day and knew they would really feel the absence of their plus ones, so we invited these extra people.

OP if you changed your mind and invited the woman with good grace, you would now come across as rather wonderful and magnanimous to all those who knew you initially didn't want to. What's not to like?Grin

coconutpie · 19/08/2015 13:00

I actually think YANBU. Yes the comments about Facebook / weight etc weren't nice but ignoring those, then I don't see why you'd invite her. You don't know her, the invitations went out before your BIL started seeing her, the table plans are all done up etc but the main thing is - you only have 26 guests!!! One extra guest at a 26-guest wedding is a big deal particularly when you have been told you aren't allowed invite some of your extended family! It's actually pretty insulting that your fiancé threatened to call off the wedding if you wouldn't invite this person who you barely know, yet tells you you are not allowed invite a dear aunt or cousin. That to me is the problem. It wouldn't be an issue if you were having larger wedding and your extended family were coming but as it stands you are only having 2 family members and he is having 11 and wants one more who you don't know! So he is being massively unreasonable.

It's worrying though that he threatened to call off the wedding over not inviting a stranger. That's fucking ridiculous.

LazyLohan · 19/08/2015 13:02

Sorry, but not all the spaces are being taken up by his family, that must be an exaggeration. If you take off two sets of parents even if he had another 3 siblings they'd have to have 5 children each to make up the numbers.

fuzzywuzzy · 19/08/2015 13:03

I'm not missing the point at all Crystal.

The fiancé has insisted only like for like invites so he naturally gets more invitations to send out. I'd have knocked that on the head first of all and split invites equally he inviting whoever e wants and I whoever I want in equal number.

Fiancé is issuing ultimatums and threatening to have the wedding cancelled if a woman he has not spoken to and was not even around when invites went out is not invited.

The groom is being really disrespectful and control freaky towards his bride to be.

FloraDiesEarly · 19/08/2015 13:05

YANBU. It's your wedding day as much as your fiancé's and if you don't want strangers there then that is fine. I recently went to a friend's wedding where there were no +1's, apart from say her brother and his long-term GF. Everyone fine with it, it's their wedding and their choice.

CrystalCove · 19/08/2015 13:05

You dont know what the conversation has been about family invites fuzzy, only OPs version.

Lightbulbon · 19/08/2015 13:05

I think the bride having only 2/26 of the guests to her wedding is vv odd.

It doesn't sound like the recipe for an equal marriage.

blueemerald · 19/08/2015 13:06

2 months does not equal partner. She is the woman the DP's brother is dating.

FloraDiesEarly · 19/08/2015 13:07

Also I saw on a wedding blog where a couple were trying to cut down their guest list - they thought "Would I buy this person a 3 course meal?"(whatever the wedding food was) and if the answer was no, they were off the list.

MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 13:07

So half the guest list is family (13/26).

Of that, the OP can invite 2, while the fiancé can invite 11, and now wants to make it 12 (for a new girlfriend who has appeared on the scene after the invitations were sent out). At the same time, the OP has had to exclude close relatives (and if she is an only child, it's possible that she is very close to her extended family).

Bemused that so many posters appear to be fine with this.

badtime · 19/08/2015 13:08

I imagine the OP has friends there as well, but she says she was not able to invite her relatives as her fiance insisted on inviting all relatives of the same degree, rather than just having equal numbers of whatever guests they wanted (which I would think fairer in the circumstances).

CrystalCove · 19/08/2015 13:08

Loving the "your wedding your choice" posts, you could equally say it is the grooms day just as much as brides. But that doesnt seem to matter to some people. Relationships are about compromises. I wouldnt want the person I was marrying to be upset because I had insisted that their siblings other half couldnt come just as much as I wouldnt want to marry someone who didnt listen to me - this certainly applies to OP here and may equally apply to groom if he is not listening to her about inviting her family.

badtime · 19/08/2015 13:12

Crystal, the groom appears to have had it all his way so far.

badtime · 19/08/2015 13:13

And compromising requires compromise. Like if you have a big immediate family, not insisting that your fiancee, an only child, only invite her small immediate family despite the fact that your family then outnumber hers by a factor of 6.

fuzzywuzzy · 19/08/2015 13:14

Crystal obviously I'm going with what OP has posted because I'm replying to the OP, all posts on MN are form the posters pov. As it stands I do not think OP is being UR.

CrystalCove · 19/08/2015 13:18

I dont disagree with a proper compromise, theres obviously far more to this and the OP really did herself no favours at all by posting what she has, making it sound very much like "its my way or the high way because I dont want a fat pouting woman in MY wedding photos"....because thats exactly what she posted.

thunderbird69 · 19/08/2015 13:19

I met my brother's girlfriend (now his wife/my SIL) for the first time at my wedding.

To keep the peace I think you should say that you have managed to negotiate with the venue to re-arrange things and can now fit her in. I'm sure the venue can cope with a change to the seating plan. Why not split OH's family in 2 and mix them in with other people?
I'm sure that you will have so many photos that there will be plenty with the people that are most important to you and that her presence will make little difference to your day.

Good luck and hope that you have a lovely day

arethereanyleftatall · 19/08/2015 13:20

I think many of the responses are skewed on here because of your comments on her weight and posing style.
I don't think many are actually responding to the situation.
Which is that you have been allocated 2 spaces for relatives whereas your dp has 12 and now wants to add a virtual stranger at the eleventh hour.
Yanbu.
A third close relative to you trumps his Dbs current, recent girlfriend.

acquiescence · 19/08/2015 13:22

I don't think you are being particularly unreasonable to not want her there. However in the spirit of your marriage and joining families together it would be less stressful for you to let you OH have his way on this one I think. You could maybe move both of them to a different table? Or warn them in advance they have have to sit separately. I wouldn't worry about photos, just ask for lots of reportage style ones, they are much nicer than stuffy formal ones.

diddl · 19/08/2015 13:23

I don't think that you com across awfully well, but for me, this sums it up-

"In general i dont think it is unreasonable not wanting a not-yet-dp of a guest at a wedding,"

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 13:35

I think it's unfair that you have had to exclude close friends to accommodate the grooms larger family and can see why you would be cross about having to include a girl friend of 8 weeks.

However, don't worry about photographs.

  1. you can brief the photographer to take the photos you want.
  2. most wedding photos include people who have split up, random plus 1's and people you hardly see any more. Life changes and people move on. It's not as though you have to keep the ones you don't want or put them on display.
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