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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

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Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 19/08/2015 10:33

Sorry, but if you have excluded good friends for a woman you dont know, and said woman is pulling her face, and getting others on board, If she stays around i doubt youll be mixing much anyway. Ask DP if you re arrange for her, you want extras on your side too. See how he feels about that.

Regularhiding · 19/08/2015 10:35

when I turned 50 I wanted a small gathering with my siblings , my three best friends, and all their partners ( who are my longstanding friends too )
Total : 14 adults.

my three siblings then asked if it was ok if their adult children came too - they live out of town and were home for the holidays and two of them were bringing girlfriends I had never met! This would raise the total to twice the original .

I was quite upset about it for several days. I love my nephews very much but I wanted a really small gathering and if they came with partners it would be a completely different thing.

In the end I decided to be the bigger person and suck it up, and of course we had a great time .

That was several years ago and I am just back from the wedding of one of those nephews to his then girlfriend. I was invited along with my new boyfriend , who my nephew and fiance had never met before.

I completely understand your feelings but I think you should suck it up too.

Have a great day and report back!

Lavenderice · 19/08/2015 10:37

You are coming across as everything people have said, a rude, judgmental, selfish bridezilla.

Take a step back, breathe and invite her. Though to be honest if I was her I wouldn't really want to go now.

Runningupthathill82 · 19/08/2015 10:37

You're being rude, Bridezilla-esque and very unreasonable.
Stick another chair on the table where she'll need to sit, forget your stupid precious ideas about wedding photos and walking down the aisle, and focus upon the fact that this young mother could be in your family for the rest of your lives.

Your comments about her weight and her pouting on Facebook are vile. Are you obsessed with photographs or something?!

Equally, you make a horrid remark about her being "preoccupied" with her 18-m-o at a family event. Do you understand what being a parent involves at all? Or indeed how shy she might have felt that day?

I think you need to take a good look at what matters here and suck up the cost of an extra plate.

If that sounds harsh, it's meant to. I'm not obese and nor do I pout on Facebook, but your comments in your OP are so utterly cruel that I feel really sorry for this woman I've never met, whose new partner has been kind and loving enough to take on her toddler son as his own, yet a member of his extended family is prepared to leave her out and make nasty jibes about her.

ArendelleQueen · 19/08/2015 10:37

"My family agree with me, his agree with him..."

You are getting married, so it won't be 'my family' and 'you family', it will be 'our family'. Unless you catch on to this sharpish, this is going to be the start of some big rows.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:38

MIL doesn't live far away at all - so no, I doubt she was offended, she'd popped in to see her son.

And FWIW, several of my guests are carrying extra pounds and I have in the past myself, so her weight is most definitely not the issue, sorry if it came across like that. What I was trying to say was that I find it horribly false when people try to portray a false impression of themselves through pouty pics taken at the high angle.

I am listening to all opinions though, thank you. If I really am being unreasonable I would be willing to reconsider.

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molyholy · 19/08/2015 10:38

YABU - You say money is tight. Didn't your BIL offer to pay for her? Your struck-through comment about her taking flattering pictures to disguise the fact that she is morbidly obese was really mean.

I understand stress levels are high, but it's not 'your day'. Show your BIL this thread. I doubt very much he or his partner would like to go the wedding, solving your problem as you sound like you don't like him very much either.

Regularhiding · 19/08/2015 10:39

I also think the following are not relevant

  1. brother in law hasn't managed to sustain a relationship
  2. he has accepted her kid in a short space of time
  3. she is fat
  4. she pouts
  5. he's old fashioned and on the autistic spectrum
RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 19/08/2015 10:39

YABU

You've blown it all out of proportion and are having a huge argument over someone you barely know.

Why is the prospect of your future BIL having a plus one or not such a big deal? because in the grand scheme of things it really isn't. This is just one little thing in the run up to the wedding and there will be a million more little things like the cake base being square when you need a round one, or finding out the day before that the venue hasn't ordered any booze, or distant relatives needing you to book several taxis for them because they can't possibly do it themselves and if you want to enjoy it, you need to learn how to let stuff like this go.

chillychicken · 19/08/2015 10:40

YABU. How many more times do you need to be told?

You can't bring out the old "tight budget" line as the brother has said he'll pay for the girlfriend.

Have you ever been the new partner introduced into a family? Desperately trying to fit in? My SIL tried to exclude me from her wedding as I'd only been with DH for a few months. It hurt so much and we do have a strained relationship. 10 years on and I still feel like I'm having to try so hard to make his family like me.

AuntyMag10 · 19/08/2015 10:41

Ffs what does coming across false in pouty pictures have anything to do with it?Confused Just admit that you can't stand her and don't want her there. Hope that this is a major wake up call for your fiancé.

Queenbean · 19/08/2015 10:42

YABU. Invite her.

Or if you don't, and they do get married, don't be upset to find you're not on the guestlist.

After all, he won't have a plus one - why should he invite his brother with a plus one when he gets married?

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:43

I guess I do need to learn how to let stuff like this go! I'm really well organised and thought I was on top of most things, but lately have found myself having anxiety dreams almost every night about things going wrong at the wedding. I don't want to turn onto a bridezilla Sad as I said, if I'd had it my way, I would have just eloped and not bothered about all this fuss.

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:44

What does coming across false in pouty pictures have anything to do with it?

Because I don't want the wedding photos filled with duck-faced pouts!

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SheHasAWildHeart · 19/08/2015 10:44

If I was her I wouldn't want to come to your wedding. You don't sound nice.

momb · 19/08/2015 10:46

YABU. He's offered to pay. There is no cost to yourselves and it's still a month away.
I got married last year and completely empathise with your desire to just get something sorted and have it stay sorted rather than having all kinds of additional adjustments, but really, you need to invite her.

SheHasAWildHeart · 19/08/2015 10:46

Because I don't want the wedding photos filled with duck-faced pouts!

Simple just have 'family' photos taken then some with partners. You don't have to display these pics around the house or even put them into your album if you don't want.

Are you only letting photogenic people be in your wedding photos?

Duckstar · 19/08/2015 10:46

YABU. This isn't a random friend its your fiancées DB, and what on earth does her weight have to do with anything??? You've clearly brought it up to your DH as well so you seem to have some issue with it.

Bumpsadaisie · 19/08/2015 10:46

I can see its a bit of a pain but I do think you should invite her. She may not be your cup of tea etc but I think with weddings its good to be as open hearted as you can when it comes to people wanting to bring children/hangers on/friends from the states who will be with them all summer/adults who they care for and so on and so on.

Obv if money is really tight then there will have to be limits, but if your bro in law is prepared to pay then invite her.

Your fiancé cares about his brother and probably doesn't want him to be the only one there on his own like a teenager without a partner.

Queenbean · 19/08/2015 10:46

What does coming across false in pouty pictures have anything to do with it?

Because I don't want the wedding photos filled with duck-faced pouts!

Ahhhh I see, fair enough! So I presume that all your guests have undergone strict physical assessments, alongside strict guidelines on the faces that they can and can't pull on the day? I guess that you are only friends with beautiful people who will enhance your photos without upstaging you. And this fat, pouty faced woman will totally ruin your day.

Sure. Sure. Hmm

BooChunky · 19/08/2015 10:46

If it was someone you'd never met, and you had no space, then I would see your point.

But you've met her, she's close enough with the family to attend BBQ's and bring her young DC with her! Your BIL offered to pay, and this is causing rows between you and your DH.

You are being massively unreasonable. (And very bitchy, what has her weight got to do with it?? Maybe she's self conscious, you say you are?!)

AuntyMag10 · 19/08/2015 10:48

Honestly you come across as extremely shallow and superficial, judging her on her weight and how she looks. So you're worried her obese self is going to spoil your pictures. You should be ashamed.

ladymariner · 19/08/2015 10:48

Sorry, but I think you're a bit late to worry about turning into a bridezilla, that horse has well and truly bolted. You are coming across as really mean and judgmental, intentionally or not. As a pp has said, in years to come this really will not matter but your vows and marriage will.
You could do with learning about family dynamics and the bonds between family. There's an old saying, "blood is thicker than water" and I think you would do well to take heed.

momb · 19/08/2015 10:49

I guess I do need to learn how to let stuff like this go!

Yes you do: you have just told us that you don't want your BIL's partner at your wedding because you are worried she may make a facial expression you disapprove on in your photos. Really. This is insane.

UrethraFranklin1 · 19/08/2015 10:49

You're all coming across as pretty bonkers. This just isn't a big deal at all.

Also, you have multiple tables of 8/9 but you're only inviting TWO of your family members because you can't afford more? Hmm This whole wedding sounds very weird.