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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

237 replies

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

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PennyPants · 19/08/2015 12:10

Yabvu, controlling and silly.

AuntyMag10 · 19/08/2015 12:11

Your entire post and thinking came across well thought out and planned, so don't use your anxiety now as a cop out. You would have mentioned that in the beginning. You've let your fiancé know how you really think. Was this worth it? It's not about the wedding, it's about the marriage. You've started that on a bad note.

Gooseberrycrumble2 · 19/08/2015 12:12

This woman could potentially be your SIL. You need to be inclusive either way.

Gooseberrycrumble2 · 19/08/2015 12:15

It's not up to you to judge how serious their relationship is or isn't. The girl is you brother in laws other half and you shouldn't undermine that.

Wolpertinger · 19/08/2015 12:16

fuzzywuzzy yes, exactly.

You aren't even married yet and his family are walking all over him and you. Threatening to call off the wedding over this is ridiculous and I suspect this is how he is going to get his way (or his family's way) over every dispute from now until the end of your marriage.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 12:18

So don't use your anxiety now as a cop out. You would have mentioned that in the beginning.

That's completely out of order. I can now see that I should have mentioned it because posters are perceiving me being self conscious and stressed as being bridezilla, so I have provided some honest context.

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ladymariner · 19/08/2015 12:21

You were quick enough to mention that your future db is, in your opinion, autistic yet you forget to mention you have bad anxiety? Really?

badtime · 19/08/2015 12:22

I agree with fuzzy and Wolper. I am getting a very bad feeling about his family walking all over you, including your fiance basically announcing that his family (or rather, the girlfriends of his family) are more important than you, when he threatened not to marry you.

Incidentally, in most threads if a poster mentioned their 'DP' they had been seeing for two months, posters would be falling over themselves to point out that that's not a partner, it's at best a girlfriend or boyfriend. I suppose it is whatever way is best to give the OP a kicking...

ShaynePunim · 19/08/2015 12:23

YABU.

You are being mean and judgemental. In fact you should have invited with a brother with a +1 anyway.

But this is not just about your wedding is it, seems you're going to go through life being unkind and selfish. I feel sorry for your fiancé and his poor family.

AuntyMag10 · 19/08/2015 12:24

Good point lady.

OTheHugeManatee · 19/08/2015 12:26

Another one agreeing with fuzzy. I think what we have here is a case of groomzilla not bridezilla.

What the hell kind of man threatens to call off the wedding because his wife to be is questioning adding yet another practically a total random person to the groom's guest list when she's only inviting TWO people from her own family?

Confused
mandy214 · 19/08/2015 12:31

OP I think as an only child, you may not appreciate the dynamics of your OH's family. You say in one of your posts that your OH's DB regards the 18 mth old child of his partner as his own - that's a bit more permanent that a girlfriend who is unlikely to last. At this present moment in time, she is part of your OH's family and is regarded as such by at least your OH's mother and your OH's DB.

I think the reasons you have given for not inviting her are weak. I don't think your OH or his family are being controlling or anything as the more recent posts suggest. They're just wanting to recognise that this is a family day for your OP, as it should be for yours. If you were unhappy with only inviting 2 of your family as guests, then this is a conversation you should have had with your OP at the start - its not really something that is a factor now. You should perhaps have chosen a bigger venue where you'd both be able to have the people who mean the most to you. To be honest, I think its ridiculous when people say the bride gets 10 guests and the groom gets 10 guests or whatever. It doesn't recognise that the 2 families are different in terms of numbers and more than likely with people that were close.

If you and your OH agreed at the start that all his siblings should come to the day do, and this lady is now the partner of your OH's DB - whether you expect the relationship to last or not - she should come. YABU, sorry.

ShaynePunim · 19/08/2015 12:31

It's not about the exact numbers form each family though, is it? I have very few family and friends, my ex had a very big and very close family, so it was completely normal that his 'side' had more guests.

What matters is that she has decided to put her foot down to having her future BIL's gf there just because she can. No thoughtfulness, no kindness, no compassion.

ICanSeeForMiles · 19/08/2015 12:37

I don't think you are being that unreasonable. My dh & I had about 80 during the day, not including children in that number. I've lot a huge family, he has not. We split the numbers down the middle, and we both had to make sacrifices. I got to invite my close family, including aunts and uncles, but cousins only got an evening invite. My dh had more friends during the day than I could, because he had more room on his side. I think it ended up about a 45/ 35 split in the end, but we both got to invite those who were important to us.

An awful lot of my friend's wedding photos have her SIL's then boyfriend in them....who's nowhere to be seen now. She hates them.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 12:39

If you have ever suffered from a mental illness long term you will know that it can be so close to you and ingrained in you that you lose sight of it as it's a part of your normal life, hence why I did not feel the need to spell it out immediately.

I mention about DB being on the autistic spectrum because I wanted to illustrate that he is vulnerable and people have taken advantage of him in the past and I don't know this girl well enough to know what her intentions are.

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MammaTJ · 19/08/2015 12:40

You sound horrible. I am 'obese' and sometimes take the trouble to look my best in photos. It seems I would be judged by you for that.

MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 12:42

I actually don't think you are being that unreasonable.

This girlfriend is not your BIL's 'DP'. There is already a vast imbalance in the guest list, and you've had to not invite family members in order to accommodate your fiancé's family.

I agree with other posters that your future ILs sound like a nightmare. Your fiancé is also a worry, given that he seems unable to see how outnumbered your family are.

Vixxfacee · 19/08/2015 12:42

You are so unreasonable and sound judgemental too.

frenchcheeses · 19/08/2015 12:43

YABU and I think you sound like a horrible person.

MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 12:45

OP, I'd advise you to leave this thread now, as you're just going to get poster after poster telling you that you're nasty, horrible, vile etc etc. It's a pile-on.

CrystalCove · 19/08/2015 12:47

Your fiancé, is being really mean, he is putting a stranger before you. What kind of man threatens to call his wedding for the sake of a woman who he has met twice?

You are spectacularly missing the point fuzzywuzzy...hes not threatened to call it off because of this woman - but the fact his feelings seem to be totally irrelevant to his control freakery acting fiancee...

Eternalsunshines · 19/08/2015 12:48

I don't think YABU. I wouldn't want anyone no matter what size shape human or alien on my wedding photos if I didn't know them, you haven't even spoke to her!

PP saying its your fiancés wedding too and yup it's also yours. I didn't invite boyfriends/girlfriends to my wedding only if married. Like it or lump it!

SallyMcgally · 19/08/2015 12:49

YABU. It's not your place to speculate on how long this relationship will last and decide to treat one of your husband's siblings differently because you don't think he'll be with this woman for long. I'd be really hurt if my siblings and their partners were invited and I was the only one whose partner was only invited to the evening do. It will set up really bad feeling in the family. Don't do it.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 12:49

OP, I'd advise you to leave this thread now, as you're just going to get poster after poster telling you that you're nasty, horrible, vile etc etc. It's a pile-on.

Good idea! I'm off now to spend the afternoon with my fiance.

Thanks to everyone who made constructive posts, whatever their opinion.

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MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 12:50

But the BIL was single when the invitations were sent! Is that the done thing now, to demand that new bfs/gfs get added onto already sent invitations? Confused