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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

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diddl · 19/08/2015 13:42

"he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child."

I think that that's really unkind.

Who's pushing this?

The brother, the new gfriend?

If I had been dating someone just a few weeks, it wouldn't occur to me that I'd be invited to a wedding-especially if the invitations had gone out before we met!

If there was an evening do & I was invited to that then I'd think that that was really kind.

ovenchips · 19/08/2015 13:44

But surely when the 'stranger' is the 'plus one' of the groom's brother that's different? It is not some random couple the groom is insisting come along that he met on holiday 6 years ago.

The groom has a number of brothers and sisters and they are all bringing their established DPs.

If I was brother, had recently met soneone I was very keen on, knew my siblings would all be partnered up for the day, and offered to pay to cover my GF, then I'm pretty sure I wouldn't understand why this was a no-no.

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 13:45

I think that in the context of a 26 person wedding, I wouldn't expect to be invited as a late plus 1. Presumably loads of 'important' people are going to the evening do.

diddl · 19/08/2015 13:47

"But surely when the 'stranger' is the 'plus one' of the groom's brother that's different?"

I suppose so.

But the invitation should come from the B&G?

The brother shouldn't be asking?

Had it even occurred to the groom to invit his brother's gfriend?

Marynary · 19/08/2015 13:48

YABU not to invite her to the wedding because your fiance wants her there and his DB has offered to pay so you can't really argue that the cost or your budget is an issue.
I also think it is quite bossy and controlling not to let close family bring girlfriends/boyfriends because you don't consider their relationship to be serious enough. If I was the brother I probably wouldn't go to the wedding at all in that situation.

badtime · 19/08/2015 13:50

I would understand it; it's not that complicated. It is a small wedding, the new girlfriend is a recent arrival on the scene rather than an established partner, she only has 2 of her relatives as guests! I would not be so presumptuous as to suppose that I could bring someone I had met since the invitations were sent out to the wedding.

(Oh, and many people think I have undiagnosed autism, including my family members, so the fact that the OP thinks this of the brother is not necessarily relevant).

badtime · 19/08/2015 13:51

Mary, do you think the OP's fiance was being bossy and controlling by not allowing her to invite her family members? It does seem that all the compromising so far has come from the OP.

Wolpertinger · 19/08/2015 13:53

Shes not an established partner, she's a new girlfriend. She wasn't even on the scene when invites were written. But apparently her relationship with the family is more important than the OP's.

The fact he sees her kid as 'his own' after a mere 8 weeks is scary rather than lovely - not great for the child at all, especially as she must know he has form for rapid turnover of relationships.

ElinoristhenewEnid · 19/08/2015 13:54

I cant see why the gf should have an invitation to the main event - same thing happened with my dd - she met her partner 6 months before his dbs wedding - she was offered an evening invitation which she was not expecting and really appreciated.

2 days before the wedding she was upgraded to the whole day because someone else had dropped out - she never expected any invitation at all due to the shortness of their relationship.

This was a big wedding as well with over 100 guests

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 13:54

I also think it is quite bossy and controlling not to let close family bring girlfriends/boyfriends because you don't consider their relationship to be serious enough

Except that seems to have been the rationale for excluding the OP's family members.

FloraDiesEarly · 19/08/2015 13:56

I think someone said earlier that +1s are invited to make people comfortable as they are with people they know. But in this instance as the seating list is already done and they may end sitting apart, surely it's going to be quite awkward for her as unless she sits with your fiance's family, she won't know anyone?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 19/08/2015 13:59

If all the other siblings are bringing partners then I think it is reasonable for this brother to bring one. In the circumstances where she is a girlfriend anyway - not if he invited some total random off the street to be his plus-one. It is very rude to pass judgement on the relationship and how long it is likely to last.

However, with only 26 guests I can see why this would grate. Tricky one!

FWIW the first time I met any of DH's family was at his brother's wedding and we'd only been going out for 2 weeks at that point. Everyone was lovely to me and tried to make me feel included.

Cathulhu · 19/08/2015 14:05

You are being massively unreasonable your fiance's brother has even agree to pay for her and your still saying no. It's your fiance's wedding to. do you really want to alienate your future in-laws? Over something so silly.

Booboostwo · 19/08/2015 14:10

If you don't want to invite her because you have 2 guests and the rest are taken up by your DP's family YANBU...but this is not what you said. You said you don't want to invite her because you think their relationship won't last - irrelevant and none of your business - and because she is obese and pouts so will ruin your photos - mean and unpleasant, so YABU.

Marynary · 19/08/2015 14:15

Mary, do you think the OP's fiance was being bossy and controlling by not allowing her to invite her family members? It does seem that all the compromising so far has come from the OP.

If the fiance has excluded the OP's family members for the same reason then he is also unreasonable.

oneowlgirl · 19/08/2015 14:21

YANBU - I agree with Wolpertinger, Inertia & Fuzzy. It's such a small wedding & seems like you've compromised a lot already on family you'd like to invite, that why should a virtual stranger get an invitation??? His ultimatum & mothers behaviours would be making me question the whole wedding & no way would I back down (although i am v stubborn!). TBH though, in the first instance, I would have said that he has X number of invitations for family & you have the same - just because you have no siblings doesn't mean you should have less family there.

Good luck as I don't think your DH2B sounds very nice or considerate of you at all.

Twinkie1 · 19/08/2015 14:22

YYANBU IMO.

3 people in my photos who I'd not met before the wedding or since as they were short term partners of good friends.

Money wasn't an issue as was very informal with no sit down meal but still fucks me off that these people are in the photos of our special day.

Whatevva · 19/08/2015 14:30

Both DH's cousins brought +1s who were on the photos and never seen again. But we still see the cousins though.

I think the DB should be allowed his girlfriend.

However, I think only having 2 guests on OPs side is not enough, and she should have cousins/aunts, uncles or close friends that she has grown up with if she does not have siblings.

FryOneFatManic · 19/08/2015 14:31

OP, given that you have few family guests and your DP has a lot, ask your DP who he's going to drop from the wedding to make room for the GF.

Most weddings I've been to, the B&G have budgeted that they each can invite X number of guests, which could be family, friends or both.

Not this daft idea of like for like that the DP seems to have here, resulting in an imbalance of guests.

Wishful80smontage · 19/08/2015 14:31

Your nasty comments about this woman aside- no yanbu its a small wedding obviously she wouldn't get an invite, they've been together a short time after the invites have been sent out.
I'm assuming there are many more people than 26 that the OP would want to invite before this new girlfriend- I don't think she should get invited I do think the OP should refrain from being so judgey about said girlf though!

Whatevva · 19/08/2015 14:31

And if the grooms family is large and taking up all the spaces available, they should help out.

TheSnufflet · 19/08/2015 14:32

YANBU. You got dog-piled on here because you mentioned she was an obese single mother (not really relevant IMO) who duck-faces in every photo (I would be pissed off about this).

I'd be more worried you have very few guests "allowed", your ILs are walking all over you, and your 'D'P actually threatened to call off the wedding if he didn't get his own way???

Those are wayyyyyy bigger issues.

AnotherTimeMaybe · 19/08/2015 14:32

the only thing I'd agree with you is that you don't want someone that hasn't made an effort with you, in the family photos but the solution is that you can take some with her and some without and its up to you which ones you want to frame

I am afraid yabu, it's not really her fault for being preoccupied with her baby is it?
I think though you know you are unreasonable but it's the stress of the wedding that makes you behave like this and nothing else

just accept you will go through very stressful moments and please be happy that these people want to be part of your special day, don't take it for granted

enjoy your day!

OTheHugeManatee · 19/08/2015 14:54

I've thought a bit more about this thread, and my conclusion is: at a medium/large wedding of say 60-120 people, I'd say the OP was being massively U to say no to this girl. But a wedding with only 26 people on the guest list? Sorry, but brother's girlfriend of 8 weeks doesn't make the cut. She just doesn't.

OP's ILs-to-be are massively out of order to be making a big deal out of it, and the groom's hissy fit threatening to call of the wedding unless OP complies is frankly disgraceful.

As PPs have said, in the OP's shoes I'd be seriously reconsidering hitching my wagon to this particular family as they see to want everything their way and be capable of pretty much anything to ensure they get it. She will end up walked all over in her marriage if she goes ahead.

AnotherTimeMaybe · 19/08/2015 15:02

othehuge I would agree but I think she's implying that if his girlfriend had made an effort and if they got on, she wouldn't have a problem

I do agree with your last comment though

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