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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

OP posts:
RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 11:17

Why are you only inviting 2 members of your own family, if you have multiple tables of 9?

Because, as I said, I'm an only child, whereas OH has several siblings (plus their husbands, wifes, kids, etc). I have lovely aunties and cousins who I would have loved to invite, but in that case, OH felt it was only fair to invite his aunties, uncles and cousins too, which would have meant that the number of invites for his family exceeded the capacity of the day do even without any friends comig - he has dozens of them.

When OH's sister got married she invited the aunties and uncles from her DM's side but not her DF's and there was an uproar, because they didn't think it was "fair" and we wanted to avoid a situation like that.

OP posts:
RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 11:18

*dozens of aunties uncles and cousins on his side I mean, not friends.

OP posts:
blazingarrows · 19/08/2015 11:19

How many are invited in total to your wedding and meal?

middlings · 19/08/2015 11:19

She's going to be in one posed photo (of you and your DH with his siblings and partners and parents) and any candid shots that she's in that you don't like, don't order or print! And you can also get the photographer to say "Nice smiles now please! No pouting! This isn't FB" in a jokey way or something.

YABU - and you are being more than a bit Bridezillaish about it.

You say there are only two members of your family coming but also say you're an only child so I think the 2 vs 11 comparison is probably also a red herring.

Invite her to the whole thing. There are aspects of the guest list at my wedding that weren't my preference. One still irks me slightly - most of 'em I'm completely "meh" about and the one that does still irk me affected the day for about 10 minutes.

ovenchips · 19/08/2015 11:20

YABveryU. Please invite her.

Also please remember you want your GUESTS to enjoy their day with you. You are not doing your OH's family a special favour by inviting them, your OH wants them to be there because it's important to him. So you want to give your guests esp family members a reasonable chance of enjoying themselves. If they have a 'plus 1' they really want there why on earth wouldn't you invite them? It can feel shit to be a wedding guest on your tod.

Also please remember for your sanity and everyone else's enjoyment, you are getting married. You are not having a 12 hour event that has to be micromanaged by you, including people's expressions in photos!

I hope you invite the GF and have a great wedding.

middlings · 19/08/2015 11:20

Ah - massive cross post - and you've proved my point on the family numbers thing.

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 11:24

I get you probably think it's unfair that your DH has more guests, but for the sake of future family relations, you need to invite this girl. It's not about whether they'll still be together in five years, it's about not creating a massive, unnecessary rift between you and your inlaws over something absolutely pointless in the long run.

Shakirasma · 19/08/2015 11:25

2 words spring to mind OP; Mountain and Molehill.

This is such a small little detail, you won't even care on the day, but you are letting it cause problems between you and your DF and dragging your families into it too making for a potential rift before you've even started.

Just let her come ffs, then forget about it and get on with enjoying your wedding. You are so focussed on this little detail of the day that you are losing sight of what's really important, your DF and your marriage.

sharonthewaspandthewineywall · 19/08/2015 11:26

Contrary to your thread title id say there's no tension only your self created drama over nothing. You sound very mean spirited and foot stampy and seem to have taken an instant dislike to this lady all because of her weight and how she poses in FB pictures. Pathetic. And you have no idea whether this will be a lasting relationship or a quick fling and tbh it shouldn't matter anyway. This is your husband to be's brothers feelings we are talking about here not some friend you hardly see demanding tut bring their new partner of two days.
You really need to grow up tbh

Nolim · 19/08/2015 11:33

I havent rtwt but from the op i think:

In general i dont think it is unreasonable not wanting a not-yet-dp of a guest at a wedding, and having confirmed the seating chart is a good reason as any other.

BUT i did get a huge bridezilla vibe from the op. Who cares that she duck faces in facebook or that she is overweigthed? Do you really think her presence is going to make you feel self concious? Your stbdh is in tears and you dont seem particularly bothered about his reaction because you are an only child so you cannot empathize?

AlphabetStew · 19/08/2015 11:36

I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese

What?! So this woman was trying to post a flattering picture of herself online? On Facebook?! Oooh, I don't think that's allowed, that's probably against the law I think.

All Facebook pictures of oneself must be face-forward, no smiling, white or light coloured background, no hats or headscarves, I think glasses might be okay but I'm not 100% sure. Check with your local police station or ring 101 to clarify.

So, there's your solution OP. Call the police and report her for Gross Misrepresentation Of Oneself On Facebook. That way she'll be locked up and won't be free to attend your wedding.

Wolpertinger · 19/08/2015 11:38

I think his family are being v unfair having done the aunts/uncles argument myself. We have 10 members of his family with siblings, +ones, nieces and nephews + his parents. The same for my family would have been 1.

We had a minor argument and agreed I would have the aunts and uncles on my dad's side as my dad had died but my DH would not be having aunts and uncles.

Although you really really have come over badly, I'm worried you are going to have a lot of issues with your DH and his family in the future as they seem quite overwhelming and dismissive of your feelings as 'you are an only child and won't understand'. There is a lot of anti-only child bias even from some people on this thread and I feel for you.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 19/08/2015 11:43

Seriously, some of the posters replying on here need to calm down. Op says 'I don't want to make extra room for basically a stranger at my wedding' - has been called a bridezilla, pathetic, childish, selfish and goodness knows what else Hmm. Well, you're all very special, nice people to invite those you barely know to your weddings, and great for having the space to do so. However, I think the op has explained that she has neither the space nor want to do the same. The wishes of the in-laws and future husband doesn't trump hers. If the girlfriend has been invited to the evening do, that's more than enough. Daytime wedding events are for the people close to you, the people you want there, not the ones you have to have because mil/mumsnet said so. What the hell happened to having the wedding you wanted, instead the one other people said you should have?

Are you having a child free wedding op? Please say you are, then you'll be the ultimate selfish cow, who knows nothing about life and no one should bother going to your horrid wedding at all.....

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 11:49

We're having 26 day guests.

No, my wedding is not child free, neither would I want it to be Smile

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19lottie82 · 19/08/2015 11:50

I don't think you're being unreasonable, there's no way in hell a
stranger would be coming to my wedding.

But she's not a stranger, she's the OP's BIL's partner!

I got married last year and if my DH had dared "tell" me that my DB's OH couldn't attend then I don't think there would have been a wedding!

PrimalLass · 19/08/2015 11:52

YABU. It's a day about love - let him bring her.

Pippa12 · 19/08/2015 12:01

So in short BIL will pay for (poor) girl to attend wedding at which you are not at capacity for, but you'd rather have ww3 because she's too ugly for your wedding photos which will be shoved away in a album somewhere to be looked at once a year soon? We married 6 years ago, there have been 3 break ups with that party of 50 people. Burning of wedding pictures was not required.

I think it's ridiculous to say having one person your not well acquainted with will make you more nervous, when the room is full of your family and friends, she will more than likely be bricking it, especially if she feels as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

Your post makes you sound very mean spirited and selfish, I'm sure your not, just blinded by the light. Imagine if she/BIL read your post, I'm sure she'd be devastated and this would ruin DH/BIL relationship. No wedding guest is worth that?

Inertia · 19/08/2015 12:01

Ok, so actually that isn't a large wedding at all. Is there a fairly even split of guests aside from family members? It seems quite unfair that your husband has invited all of his siblings and their partners and families, yet you haven't been allowed to invite the closest members of your family aside from parents.

I do have some sympathy for you here - you're not allowed to invite your closest relatives because it wouldn't be fair on your husband's large family, yet you are under pressure to invite a girlfriend you barely know.

Your initial post did come across as a little bitchy in parts - however, from the perspective of being pressured to invite a very new girlfriend when you've been told that there's no room for your close family or friends, it doesn't seem fair.

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 12:01

It is selfish, though. For the sake of a harmonious day and good relations with the inlaws, surely it's worth letting this girl come along? Her husband is in tears over it and she's still convinced she's right.

RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 12:03

I do have some sympathy for you here - you're not allowed to invite your closest relatives because it wouldn't be fair on your husband's large family, yet you are under pressure to invite a girlfriend you barely know.

Thank you, that's precisely my point.

I can see now that my OP came across as bitchy and I regret that. I suffer from bad anxiety and this has exacerbated it and everything has come out in the wrong way.

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Iwasbornin1993 · 19/08/2015 12:04

To be honest I might have posted that YANBU until I got to the vile (and completely unnecessary) comments about her weight and appearance.

Now, however, I don't really care if YABU or not. Good luck to your fiancé.

OTheHugeManatee · 19/08/2015 12:07

I came on to say YABU, but as it's a short guest list and you're bumping close family so that OH can bring all his siblings and their partners and kids I can see how you might object a tiny bit to someone who has barely been 'part of the family' for 2 months being invited. Duckface or no.

Is it an even split of friends/family on both sides? If not I can see how you might resent her. But if BIL-to-be is going to pay for her then shuffling the seating plan a touch isn't the end of the world and tbh I'd just shrug and be gracious about it.

Nolim · 19/08/2015 12:07

Can you suggest a compromise: invite this woman and you get to invite your closest relatives?

MiddleAgedandConfused · 19/08/2015 12:08

YABU. Big style.

fuzzywuzzy · 19/08/2015 12:09

OP is inviting 2 people only to her wedding all the rest are on her fiancé's side and yet she is being selfish/spoilt/bridezilla.

Setting aside for a second OP's comments about the gf and she is a girlfriend not partner they've not been together long and BIL has form for quickly getting heavy about girlfriends in the past.

I'm worried for the OP. Her fiancé has so far;

  • Demanded he get most of his family invited and OP is not allowed to invite uncles and aunts as apparently then he wold be entitled to as well, because she can only invite like for like so he is inviting siblings and as she does not have any then that apparently means she is not allowed to invite aunt's/uncles/cousins instead as then he would be entitled to invite like for like. But there's no space so OP being an only child gets fewer of her own guests.
  • He's threatened not to marry her for the sake of a day invite of a girlfriend of his brother, who both the OP and fiancé have met twice, and never spoken to!

OP do not marry this man.

I can see your future threads, and they are not happy.

Your fiancé, is being really mean, he is putting a stranger before you. What kind of man threatens to call his wedding for the sake of a woman who he has met twice?