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Tension with fiance over wedding guest list - who is BU?

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RunningUpThatHillAgain · 19/08/2015 10:12

I’m getting married next month and at the time of sending the invites in June, his youngest brother (26) was single. In the entire 5 years I have known him, he’s never had a girlfriend lasting more than a couple of months – I’ve seen him get attached extremely quickly then heartbroken when the girl ends it numerous times. He’s got a big heart, but very old-fashioned sensibilities such as wanting a woman to stay at home while he takes care of them, and TBH I think it’s scared them off. He’s never been diagnosed, but I strongly suspect he is on the autistic spectrum and he still lives at home with his parents. Not sure how much of that is relevant to my question but didn’t want to drip feed.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, he calls my OH asking whether his new “partner” of 2 months can come to our wedding – he said if money was the issue he would pay for her. OH and I talked it over and I said I wasn’t comfortable with this. If indeed she was his partner, not a new girlfriend it would be a different (OH has 3 other siblings who are either married or in long term relationships and they are naturally invited) but the cynic in me thinks in all likelihood the brother and his girlfriend might have split up by the wedding. OH and I have met her twice at family BBQs, but we never actually spoke to each other – she was preoccupied with her 18 month old son who OH’s DB sees as his own, even after such a short space of time. Being nosy, I had a look at her Facebook profile – it’s all duck-face pouts at that “flattering” angle to disguise the fact she is morbidly obese exactly the kind of photos that make me cringe.

So I gave OH the following reasons why I wasn’t comfortable with her coming to the day do:

  1. I have already confirmed the wedding breakfast seating plan with the venue and tables seat a max. of 9. There are already 9 people around OH’s family table and either 8 or 9 on other tables, meaning OH’s brother and his girlfriend would either have to sit separately or I would have to split up other families so they could sit together.
  2. I feel self conscious enough about walking down the aisle already without sharing this moment with people who mean nothing to me.
  3. I don’t want someone I barely know in the family wedding photos who in my eyes isn’t family especially if she is pouting

OH seemed to understand point 1, thought I was being daft about point 2 and didn’t get point 3 at all. As a compromise I suggested that she was welcome to come to the evening do instead. OH reluctantly accepted, phoned his DB and told him this, giving the reason that we were full to capacity for the day do (which strictly we’re not, but we wanted to spare DB’s feelings) However as OH came off the phone he had tears in his eyes and said he felt he had let his DB down, which he said I didn’t understand because I’m an only child. I could see his point, but felt that my reasons were equally valid.

I thought the matter was closed, until a week later when OH’s DM phoned him up saying she didn’t think he was right that DB’s girlfriend wasn’t invited to the day do because it was sending out a message that we weren’t accepting her as part of the family and “it’s ridiculous that you can’t squeeze her in”, etc. OH didn’t tell me about this phone call for several days, during which time he was subdued and I literally had to worm it out of him what the problem was. He said he’d realised that he agreed with his DM and that it was “mean spirited” of me not to want DB’s girlfriend there and he couldn’t believe I had it in me to be like that. I told him that I had confided in two friends and my parents about it and they completely saw my point of view. OH now seems to think the reason I don’t want her to be in the photos is because she is obese (which I stress is not the reason!) and this makes me a “horrible person”. A huge row ensued, him saying “if she’s not coming, the wedding’s off!” me standing my ground. I couldn’t believe the way he was reacting – we’ve managed to plan the entire wedding so far without a single disagreement and in general we barely row at all, let alone about things so ridiculous.

OH did later apologise profusely later that day for laying down an ultimatum, as this has never been the dynamic of our relationship before. It makes me feel terribly sad because in my eyes this is detracting from what should really be important about our big day – the two of us saying our vows in an intimate setting with the people we really care about.

Fast forward another week and OH’s DM came to visit yesterday. I simply couldn’t face the Spanish inquisition about why DB’s girlfriend could only come to the evening do, so I spent the afternoon with my own parents instead to avoid a confrontation. When I came home OH was in a weird mood and it was obvious that something had been mentioned about it. As it stands, DB’s girlfriend is still not invited to the day do and I have no intention of being bullied into changing my mind. Today is the 5th anniversary of OH and I getting together and we’re supposed to be celebrating, but instead there is a tense atmosphere in the house. So am I being unreasonable or is OH? My family agree with me, his agree with him – objective opinions please!

OP posts:
Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 19/08/2015 10:51

Can you imagine the gf posting? Been with DP 2 months, his DB is getting married And ive only been invited to the evening do!! They jave planned the day for 2 years and cant believe ive been left off the list!! Spoke to DP mom and she agrees with me... and they still wont invite me ...

Runningupthathill82 · 19/08/2015 10:52

Fucking hell, your subsequent posts make you sound even worse. I'm due a name change I think. I honestly don't want anyone getting me mixed up with someone so shallow, cruel and judgemental.

Phoenix0x0 · 19/08/2015 10:52

Get the DB to pay for her. If they split before the wedding then invite someone of your choice (not DF) in place and make that well known to your DF

Tell your soon to be DH that as you want more guests from your side to be invited too, as he seems to have more.

Also, the relevance to weight/face pouting really isn't relevant to this thread. I agree you have been unreasonable and bitchy to even mention it.

fuzzywuzzy · 19/08/2015 10:52

If you hadn't thrown in the obese and pouting comment think the you'd have gotten a more sympathetic response.

To be fair, I think it is more relevant that you have already made compromises in the guest list. You are having fewer guests on your side to allow for your fiancé's guests instead.

I'd go with what a pp suggested and tell your fiancé you want equal guests of your own, you're already not inviting close friends to enable him to have his guests there. If he feels more guests are allowed, then you should be allowed to have you're close friends there. I'd prioritise close firends over a new girlfriend of BIL to be honest.

Bumpsadaisie · 19/08/2015 10:52

I mean this in the nicest way but you do seem to have built it up into quite an intense thing - its got to be perfect, the photos need to have no one pouting or they'll be ruined forever, there can't be anyone you slightly dislike in the congregation or you will feel uncomfortable.

Can you reframe it in your mind, into a gathering of people witnessing your commitment to each other? Some of them will be close friends. Some of them will be people you love dearly. Some of them will be random family hangers on you'll hardly know.

Life and relationships aren't perfect and your wedding doesn't need to be either! Who cares if there is some random hanger on pouting. It doesn't affect the essence of what the day is about - your commitment to each other. You will hardly notice her on the day, I am sure.

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 10:53

You sound awful OP - describing her as fat, fake, pouty and all manner of other things. You've only met her once, don't be so nasty.

Just invite her. She's one extra person, it really won't make any difference. Your future BIL has offered to pay for her so all you need to do is tell the planners to provide an extra meal and a chair. For the sake of keeping the peace with your inlaws I don't think that's a big ask.

Don't be so controlling. Your DH is in tears over this and you're still being so stubborn as to think you can have the final say? Wow.

MrsGentlyBenevolent · 19/08/2015 10:53

Running you should have been warned to duck for cover on AIBU, especially when it involves in-laws (or non in-laws at this point). Yes, your op was quite over stuffed in information, but if we break it down;

We, as any normal engaged couple, are arranging the guest list. Of course, there is only so much space, and as anyone getting married would, only want our nearest and dearest there. This of course means siblings long term partners and spouses. However, younger brother has a new girlfriend and they never last. Ever. I can understand him wanting to bring a girlfriend to a family gathering, but this is our wedding, selfishly or not I'd rather not give the extra space to someone I've not even spoken to. Is this unreasonable?

I honestly don't think you are. On weighing the matter (no meaness intended), this girlfriend is more likely than not to leave the scene, why should you consider inviting her? No one is entitled to a wedding invite, thought that was a argument fought over and over again on here, certainly not to appease anyone for the day - its about the husband and wife, not brother and latest fancy.

VodkaValiumLattePlease · 19/08/2015 10:54

I don't think you're being unreasonable, there's no way in hell a stranger would be coming to my wedding.

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 10:54

But her husband-to-be wants to make his brother happy, and therefore wants her there. Why should her wishes trump his?

Inertia · 19/08/2015 10:55

Why are you only inviting 2 members of your own family, if you have multiple tables of 9?

VodkaValiumLattePlease · 19/08/2015 10:55

Why should his wishes trump hers?

TravellingToad · 19/08/2015 10:56

YABU. I'm sorry because it's probably not what you want to hear.

MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 10:57

Why is there such an imbalance in the invitations, OP? Only 2 from your family? And no room for some of your friends?

I think your comments about the guest are horrible BUT there seems to be an unfair split of guests based on what you've said.

AuntyMag10 · 19/08/2015 10:59

You've already shown your fiancé your ugly side, which no doubt you explained the reasons. It's now caused an issue between you both, and he will probably be defensive towards his family going forward And rightly so. You've created an issue with your il, and should this woman become a part of the family you might find yourself on the out or no one liking you. All caused by your own actions, so will it be worth it?
Unless she's your bridesmaid or going to be stuck like glue to you, why would she be in all the photos? You're incredibly shallow.

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 11:00

Because his family are getting really upset over it. Sorry, but if my stubbornness over one guest was causing fights amongst my IL's, I would suck it up and invite them. She's one person, I really don't see why it's worth so much nastiness and drama.

Buttercup27 · 19/08/2015 11:02

Yanbu! They have been together 2 months and you are expected to Chang all formalised plans for her , who might not even be around long enough to see the wedding photos.
It's weird enough now when we look back at wedding photos and see our close friends with their now exhusbands, it would be even weirder to look back in 10 years time and not have a clue who she is.
I think its rude slog her to expect you to change your plans and should be pleased she's been invited to the evening.

AspieAndNT · 19/08/2015 11:02

Will the child be coming?

specialsubject · 19/08/2015 11:03

just tell the photographer to tell people to smile, no fish-face expressions.

and why are you having this enormous party when it makes you feel self-conscious?

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 11:03

Change all plans? It's adding one seat to the table settings - it's hardly a big deal.

EatDessertFirst · 19/08/2015 11:03

YANBU due only to numbers/table plans. We won't be able to add people this late at our wedding next year. The venue just wouldn't allow it, and I wouldn't split family groups for someone I barely knew.

YABU to be so bitchy about your DP's DB girlfriend. Your comments about her weight are vile.
Noone would duck-face pout in wedding photos surely?? If she does just don't buy/use that picture/s. Its not hard.

Although I do agree that duck-face pouting is utterly ridiculous and doesn't make anyone look better.

Wolpertinger · 19/08/2015 11:07

I really have a lot of sympathy with you but you aren't helping yourself.

Your wedding photos will not be filled with duckface pouts.

You will have max 3 pictures with her in: one will all the guests, one with DBIL and her, one with all in-laws. That will be it. You need not put the latter 2 in your album and in the first there'll be masses of other people to dilute her. Plus she prob won't make duckface pouts in formal photos anyway (and wedding photographers tend to be bossy and stop you doing it)

The line about you only having 2 family members and not being able to invite friends would have been much much better.

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blazingarrows · 19/08/2015 11:08

OMG. You are being incredibly unreasonable!! Shock You are coming across as the ultimate Bridezilla. Is this a reverse???

You said you didn't want to dripfeed however at Wed 19-Aug-15 10:22:41 you stated you were only inviting 2 members of your family and many of your good friends couldn't be invited due to the tight budget. However you have discussed that table sizes are 8 or 9?? Who the hell are you inviting if not your family and friends?? Surely there must then be some in that list that you don't know very well that you "don't want to share your special day"? Get over yourself.

There'll be plenty of people you won't see anymore in years to come that will be in your wedding photos. This could cause a massive rift between you and your DP's family and for what? Pride and you wanting to stick to your guns?

The brother has even offered to pay for her for god's sake so you cannot go on about it being a tight budget.

I'm not surprised your DP is pissed at you, I was going to say my DP would be too if I did that. But I would never do that to him as I have respect for him and his family.

You are coming across as very judgemental in your posts and really not very nice. You need to be aware that you are seriously close to burning your bridges with your DP's family over something so inconsequential. Do the decent thing, eat humble pie, blame the stress for you briefly losing your mind and invite the poor girl. FFS.

AlfAlf · 19/08/2015 11:10

Yab totally u I'm afraid.

If you don't invite her now, you I'll not have a perfect wedding with perfect photos, because all you're in laws are going to be pissed off with you, and your brother in law is going to have a long face in all the photos (that's if he doesn't refuse to come altogether).

if you want to save your wedding, I suggest some serious damage limitation asap.
I think you need to find the kinder, gracious you that's somewhere inside the bridezilla shell, personally apologise to your future brother in law, and tell him of course his partner can come.

Wedding venues are well accustomed to last minute changes to seating plans, you/they can easily work it out.

Wolpertinger · 19/08/2015 11:17

You can easily only invite 2 family members and have tables of 8 or 9.

My venue had an absolute limit of 30 guests. 3 tables of 10. There was no 'squeeze an extra in'. And working out who sat where in such a small space without offending anyone was a nightmare.

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