To agree with this mail article

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It's written by a fellow teacher and is nappy at school related, so those that find these things a touchy subject might not want to check it out.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2617186/Why-I-blame-middle-class-mothers-six-year-olds-sent-school-nappies-one-teachers-left-change-them.html
Why is it increasing, when will it stop? These subjects really need to be talked about instead of swept under the rug.

We should be talking about tit because it's an elephant in the room, being swept under the carpet and hidden away. these poor children should be potty trained.

Oh dear.
AIBU to not read the unsubstantiated excuse for column inches article and just state waddaloadofbollocks?

I 'pop up a lot' when people are discussing disability related stuff it's because if those of us who live with disability don't speak up who else will?

Not everything is about those with disabilities.

We should be talking about it because it's an elephant in the room, being swept under the carpet and hidden away.

It's not though, is it?
I mean being in the Daily Mail and openly discussed on the internet is the equivalent of putting your hands over your eyes when it comes to hiding.

Not one child in my infant school wears a nappy

There was a child that needed one at the age of four a year or two ago but was out of them by year 1

I hate the way it's estimate figures, just because it was 10% of the people asked doesn't mean that it means 10% of the country

Look how confidently I've stated the information about the 10% and I've got no idea really

Sorry, in the interests of clarity the child had SN

My DD is in reception and is wet most days.
She doesn't wear nappies or pull-ups, she just goes and changes herself.
We've had it checked out, there are no issues, she is just lazy.
I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon.

What a loadofshite made-up article.

YABU to agree with anything in the Daily Fail. Ever.

i seriously wonder what percentage of those children go on to be diagnosed with some kind of disorder later on?

DS wasn't fully PT'd until right before his 5th birthday, he's a September baby, so had his birthday been later in the year, he would have started school in pull ups! He literally got it a week before term, so went to school with a lot of changes and his teacher understanding he might still need prompting.

He couldn't dress himself and he couldn't hold cutlery or brush his own teeth, or wipe himself after going the loo.

At that age he was still 'NT' as far as anyone was concerned and i'm sure i was labelled as a 'lazy' parent by the school.

Two years later he was diagnosed with serious Dyspraxia and in the last 18mo has had ADHD, ASD and Sensory Processing disorder added.

what a pile of shite

(the thread)

Of the children I know that have started in nappies or have had frequent wetting (ie wet more days than not) only 1 could have possibly been described as 'lazy' (they would get engrossed in an activity and forget to go). And not all of the others had SNs.

We've had children with global developmental delay, and Down's syndrome, and CP. So these children were the only ones with 'visible' SNs. There were some with ASDs who a trained eye might have been able to spot weren't NT.

Of the NT rest, we've had chronic constipation with overflow soiling. Late diagnosed bladder problem- the drs wouldn't even investigate till the child was 6 or 7. Underdeveloped sphincter muscles. Children with SEBD needs. Just because they are NT and appear 'normal' doesn't mean that they don't have a health need.

I know someone who was a nursery teacher a few years back. In an area classed as deprived FWIW.

They had loads of kids in nappies - obviously it's nursery so younger age group, but these kids weren't even beginning toilet training so I imagine there'd have been quite a few still in nappies by the time they started school.

The frustration was she was trying to begin toilet training these children, others were learning English, others were learning to speak/interact at all... many children made great progress... but Ofsted were only bothered if they could write their name or use a pair of scissors, regardless of starting point.

The Government just wants people to be worker bees, the role of bringing up children is seen as incidental. I think we need to make sure the support is there for families, especially mothers, so they have the skills and finances to give their children the best start - it would pay dividends down the line.

I'm sure there are issues with SN children not being identified, as well, but don't think that's the whole story.

But he was potty trained for school, It took a while and was a hard job but you took the time to do it. It proves my point back when parents had to get it done it was done, now they don't have to do it the problem is turning into an epidemic.

elementofsurprise

Thank you, yes there is a problem and it's being ignored. But what can we do to help?
I don't think parent shaming is the answer.

Don't forget children start school younger now- when I started school it was the term before I turned 5. Now it's the September before, so some children are starting 2 terms earlier than they would have under the old rules.

So from one, old article, from a source not known for accuracy, you've decided there is 'an epidemic'.

Well, that's your decision and it obviously satisfies some need to believe it, but please don't mistake that for substantiated evidence.

There are many more important issues to get riled up about, and your attempts to start some kind of war on a non-substantiated issue by engaging with posters who are more informed than yourself... Well, I'm somewhat incredulous about your motives for doing so.

I hope you're enjoying the thread and getting whatever you wanted from it.

But he was potty trained for school, It took a while and was a hard job but you took the time to do it. It proves my point back when parents had to get it done it was done, now they don't have to do it the problem is turning into an epidemic.

So by this logic starting a year later is the answer you are looking for. Problem solved.
Not much else to be said on this thread.

Why does this DM teacher seem to have a disproportionately huge amount of children in nappies in their school compared to the rest of the country?

noble it was decided up thread the writer probably had an adult baby fetish.

That's just grim. I'm sure the DM churns these stories out every year leading up to September. Is someone on their staff into adult babies or do they just hire them in?

Some quotes from this highly reputable and serious of articles.

The articles purpose is clearly to get their readers enjoying the frisson that comes from frothing and hatred, complete with a soupçon of 'things are going to the dogs' instant nostalgia. It satisfies a vicarious joy in judging others.

"Little Freddy need only have a tantrum and mum would reach for the Pampers rather than force him on to the potty."

"believe me, I didn't see the least flicker of shame when these children were left at the gates in the morning"

"They would drop a child off in nappies, while looking as if they had barely washed themselves."

"It was hugely embarrassing for him. Five-year-olds can be very cruel. I cringed when I saw other children giggling and holding their noses".

I'd really like to see someone sweep the elephant in the room under the carpet. That would take some doing.