To agree with this mail article

[fourmeatpies]

It's written by a fellow teacher and is nappy at school related, so those that find these things a touchy subject might not want to check it out.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2617186/Why-I-blame-middle-class-mothers-six-year-olds-sent-school-nappies-one-teachers-left-change-them.html
Why is it increasing, when will it stop? These subjects really need to be talked about instead of swept under the rug.

[fabby40]

Now I am angry. I have 3dc and have potty trained all my dc. Dd1 was a joy to train but was still in pull up when she started nursery dedpite my bedt efforts but was dry day and night at 3.3. Ds2 still hasn't mastered pooing in the toilet and is not dry at night dedpite trying everything recommended and him having counselling. My youngest will be starting nursery in September and is showing no interest in toilet training.
I must be such a bad middle class mum.

[AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore]

Why is this thread even still here?

[madeitagain]

Crap (pun intended) I have been teaching for about 20 years, often in reception and have never taught a child who has come to school in nappies. I have a close and dear friend who has an older child with a physical problem which means she doesn't always realise she needs the loo and my friend will send her to school with a spare pair of pants.
Says, as always more about the Mail's 'take' on so many things, than any mother, child or anyone else.

[GiddyOnZackHunt]

Given the phantom shitter posts from office workers it seems that an inability to use the toilet in an acceptable manner spans the generations.
Maybe times have changed. 40 years ago those children might not have been in mainstream. Maybe terry nappies did make it more unpleasant for children and parents. Or maybe as many children spent their reception year sitting in their own mess but these days parents aren't pretending it isn't happening.
One survey in isolation does not make an issue.

[Jaderuby]

I'm just going to come out and say it, i think it's sickening that 99% of people who have posted in this thread want to support the on going infatilising of our children instead of making them little men and women

Where did you get these figures from 99%, the same place as the Daily mail got theirs?

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

Someone's bored

[AndyWarholsOrange]

Looking at that Independent article, it seems to be saying that one in ten schools have one or two children in nappies. That's hardly an 'epidemic'. So the likelihood of having seven DCS in one school is zilch. And as for that tosh about 'But we are Oxford Classicists, how should we know when a child should be toilet trained?', I can really imagine someone saying that
It's just standard DM 'journalism' except they're mixing it up a bit and having a go at middle class parents rather than single mothers.

[reni1]

Just to restate: 1600 starting in nappies is 0.2 per cent.

[reni1]

1 in 500!

[Marioswife]

There has been a few of these threads lately, must be the in thing.

[StarlightMcKenzee]

'Do none of these nappy wearing children have fathers?'

One of my children has SEN. TWO female professionals have made it quite clear to me that I must be hopeful for his future because his dad is very bright.

[AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore]

Star Seriously? Is that the current criteria then? Me thinks mine are in for a rough ride then.

[Jasonandyawegunorts]

My dad was dead, my outlook must have been very very dark.....

[Jasonandyawegunorts]

I saw was dead, he still is.

[IonaMumsnet]

Afternoon folks. We just thought now might be an opportune moment to pop by with a link to our This Is My Child Campaign, here which might be of interest if you aren't already familiar with it.

[Jasonandyawegunorts]

On a related note, other people might be interested in the This is my Elephant Campaign, Which is created to educate about the mistreatment of elephants under carpets in small rooms.

[MiscellaneousAssortment]

Won't someone think of the elephants? Wrings hands in a middle class ineffectual way...

Tries to divert attention away from the err, other elephantine issue that is resulting in lots of good people being upset. That. Is. Not. Funny.

[Marioswife]

Won't someone think of the elephants?
Only if they are from MiddleClass backgrounds.

I agree we shouldn't loose sight of the fact that this is a bloody offensive thread and the OP has made some very goady posts in reply to posters explaining and pouring their hearts out about the subject.

[hazeyjane]

There are 6 myths listed in the This Is My Child Campaign - which worth a read www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/this-is-my-child-myths-about-children-with-special-needs, I would add a couple of myths to that list, that seem pertinent to this thread.

7) Not having a diagnosis does not mean not having special needs - it could be that a child is yet to be assessed, it could be that the assessment process can take a very long time or it could be that the child has an undiagnosed condition ("It is thought that about half (50%) of children with learning disabilites, and approximately 60% of children with multiple congenital problems do not have a definitive diagnosis to explain the cause of their difficulties" SWAN UK)

8) Teachers are not qualified to make a diagnosis. (despite assertions from teachers like the ones in The Independent article, like this "despite having no medical conditions or developmental issues")

[AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore]

I too find it appalling that this thread is allowed to stand. The stance of leaving it here for education purposes and expecting vile posters to bow to peer pressure is ridiculous. A harder line needs to be taken IMO.

As a parent of two children with SNs (one of whom had toileting issues), some of the things people post about lazy parenting really are upsetting. How lacking can you be in common sense to think that it's EASIER to have a child in nappies than to have them toilet trained??? For heaven's sake, use your brains people!

[hazeyjane]

I am also unsure how many children without sn would be ok with wearing nappies and the discomfort involved.

[Jasonandyawegunorts]

Does AIBU get deleted after 90 days?

[Jasonandyawegunorts]

I am also unsure how many children without sn would be ok with wearing nappies and the discomfort involved.

Yes it's really not a nice thing.