To agree with this mail article

[fourmeatpies]

It's written by a fellow teacher and is nappy at school related, so those that find these things a touchy subject might not want to check it out.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2617186/Why-I-blame-middle-class-mothers-six-year-olds-sent-school-nappies-one-teachers-left-change-them.html
Why is it increasing, when will it stop? These subjects really need to be talked about instead of swept under the rug.

I agree witn the majority what a load of rubbish!

I doubt many, if any, parents think "oh I will carry on spending a fortune on nappies rather than no the trying to toilet train"

If a child isn't toilet trained by school I would imagine in the vast majority of cases their is some sort of additional needs and in very very few cases it's down to "lazy" parents.

Except there are no comments in the article yet. So if that is the aim, they haven't succeeded

Not lazy parents,lazy middle class mothers.

Oh, and my dd2 is at the most middle class school possible, in middle class suburbia. Not one child was in nappies in reception, let alone year 1 or 2. Nor in the year above, nor the years since. So clearly not a middle class mother thing, otherwise there's be loads at her school.

Meanwhile over at dd1's school, with a huge diverse intake class-wise, there are children throughout the school from reception up to secondary, still in nappies.

MY child is one of these statistics, so good for him.
What needs to be talked about Op?

What a load of utter twaddle! Changing tables in classrooms? Rubbish!

I have been a professional child carer for 37 years in all manner of settings and in all that time I have only known 3 children without sn who weren't toilet trained when they started school. And I have worked In a variety of poor and affluent settings!

I work in a medium sized primary school. No children in nappies in either nursery or reception.

This article is such crap, my son started school in nappies because he is severely autistic. He attends a school for children with additional needs where most children are in nappies but when we were applying I looked round mainstream schools as I had to present a balanced argument for his statement for why he needed not to be in one.

When I told them he would be starting in nappies the mainstream schools said they would accommodate as much as possible but would find it difficult as they had no place to change him and facilities for that. They didn't come across like this was something they dealt with regularly or dealt with ever really. They seemed to view it as a very unusual situation so I wouldn't say that they have a lot of children started reception class in nappies.

I think they only children who would be in nappies (rather than occasional accidents) and those with additional needs, needs which may have not been diagnosed yet or those with health problems which effect their ability to be continent. There isn't huge numbers of parents just not bothering to potty train their children, that is ridiculous.

What is this "NT"? I keep seeing it but don't know what it means. I guess in every new reception class there'll be the odd one who has the odd accident but surely it doesn't warrant installing a changing station!? Obviously if it was a special school I'm sure they already have facilities available as it would be a bit more common place.

I agree Polter Goady Fuckery indeed.

Maybe not got the reaction he/she hoped for.

NT mean neurotypical, so my son is autistic so he isn't neurotypical an average child of his age with no additional needs would be considered neurotypical.

I was just about to say that, Polter

I say don't bother responding

Also, be aware some folk will be frotting over tales of continence issues, ugh

Surely parents wouldn't know if any of the children in a class room were in nappies? They would be in pull ups, so only the TA or teacher would know.

What is this "NT"? I keep seeing it but don't know what it means

NT =NeuroTypical - your average child
AT = ATypical (Normally falls under SN on this part of the site)

I work in child protection. If a child was simply not being toilet trained because parents couldn't be bothered it would be treated. I deal with serious neglect cases and can't think of any where there was evidence of children starting school in nappies.

Treated very seriously

Okay. Advanced Search is a wonderful tool.

'Nuff said.

be aware some folk will be frotting over tales of continence issues, ugh

Fetish?

Yep.

frotting?!

not reading daily mail link

morage, technically no. Parents wouldn't know. But I stand by my statement, and made it confidently. The community at dd2's school is very close. Lots of coffee mornings, where lots of things are discussed (by the people involved, rather than as gossip!). I also know, for eg that next year there may be a child going into reception in nappies. I know the mother and we have talked about it.

Oh and (from experience) there is little between nappies and pull ups for showing under clothes. And (again, from experience) the children who generally need to be in nappies/pull ups full time aged 5 need more help than just 'getting it' wrt toilet training. So maybe only the teacher or TA know to begin with, but it doesn't take long before the other children notice (I don't mean that in a sniggery, teasing way. Just matter of fact).

be aware some folk will be frotting over tales of continence issues, ugh

You wouldn't believe the amount of Fetish posters who have sent me pervy messages about Minipirate. MNHQ must think I'm paranoid the amount i've reported.

Jeez Pirate. Bloody hell.