To think this woman is at best misguided and at worst disgusting?

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Will try to be brief.

I was introduced to a friend of a friend who is ebf her DS (about 10 weeks) and it came up in conversation that she drinks a bottle of wine in one evening once / twice a week. She was unashamed but made it clear she didn't neck it back (drinks it over the course 4-5 hours)

Once I picked my jaw up off the floor the conversation had moved on but I am still thinking about it days later.

I like a drink, can happily open a bottle and finish it the same evening [over the course of a good few hours, like the lady in question]. I had a glass of champers when 8 months pregnant so I am certainly not adverse to the notion of drinking / pregnancy / BF'ing.

AIBU to find this woman shocking though?

To not drip feed woman is a medical professional not trained in UK and currently a SAHP here, her husband is a Dr, she is not English [culturally I assume this may be relevant as maybe the info is different to here?], and she did this with her first baby who is now 5 and perfectly fine.

I am not being facetious here but how comes alcohol is "OK" but diet (I am thinking citrus and caffeine in particular) can have adverse affects on BF'ing?

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'I am sure the OP can manage to focus on her own life while having concerns for her friend.'

It's not a friend, it's a friend of a friend she was introduced to once and then came online to tell all just what an awful person this woman is.

Concern, my arse.

And no, it's not 20 units if it's a low alcohol wine.

anydrink it doesn't actually matter how much alcohol is getting through- it's the fact she's drinking a whole bottle of wine in one evening and probably incharge of a very young baby.

And 2 bottles of wine a week is over the guidelines, newborn baby if not.

To be fair AIBU would die a very sudden death if making judgements about others was suddenly outlawed. I do agree that my OP does come across as very judgey though... I will hold my hands up though - I am being judgemental.

I assume Rioja is not low alcohol wine? (I don't drink red!)

(prepares to be flamed for using "though" too many times in one post!)

Just to claim I'm not Saying she should or shouldn't be drinking that much, if I were to drink it hat much I'd be carried to bed though

Yabu to think she's disgusting.

Yanbu to be a bit surprised.

"A bottle of wine averages between 8 and 10 unit."

I said averages.

Yes, two bottles of wine a week may be over the utterly unscientific guidelines. But her body; her choice. The OP has added in the baby in order to be able to judge with impunity. The point of the other people on this thread is that it is not an issue. Unless she is endangering her baby with her being under the influence. In which case, where is the DF, is he drinking, more or less, is he in charge or not?

I couldn't have drunk like that with DD that small because she was up 50 times a night and I would have been exhausted. And there is another issue about normalising drinking around children. But gripe water has more alcohol than wine-infused BM.

If she doesn't feed the baby until the next day as she will metabolise 1 unit an hour but a bottle has 14/15 units so she would want to hold off feeding until late the following morning. It is not ok sooner as there will be alcohol in the breast milk.

Only minute amounts gets into milk.

Tad dramatic OP!

OP YA still being U because you are not reading / understanding the posts properly.

The amount of alcohol in breastmilk if a mother drinks is so low that 9 units (or 20 even!) will not be an issue.

The safety issue is how capable the mother is.

But her milk will be fine even if she's comatose!

YABU. Only a tiny amount of alcohol gets into milk. In the words of the infant feeding co-ordinator here, "if you can remember you have a baby, you're ok to feed". I haven't quite gone that far but over Christmas I fed baby after a similar amount to your friend.

YANBU

I stupidly took the advice on here that 'it's only a tiny amount that travels through to your breast milk' and it was bollocks.

I breastfed DS for 2.5 years and if I drank over half a bottle of wine he got the shits and it upset his tummy every single time. It didn't matter if I fed him immediately or (when he was bigger), the following day. A bottle of wine is a lot of units for their little bodies to digest.

"I am not being facetious here but how comes alcohol is "OK" but diet (I am thinking citrus and caffeine in particular) can have adverse affects on BFing?"

I don't think anyone on the thread has said wine is fine but women should restrict their diet or caffeine intake?

Could you expand.

Who seriously breastfeeds for any length of time and never consumes caffeine or citrus!?

how comes alcohol is "OK" but diet (I am thinking citrus and caffeine in particular) can have adverse affects on BF'ing?

It mostly can't, despite all the myths about broccoli causing gas in the baby or whatever. Breastmilk is made from your blood, not your stomach contents - which is why breastfeeding after drinking wine is a world away from feeding wine to the baby.

Change the title to cannabis and breast feeding and there will be an uproar.

I don't know enough about breastfeeding and alcohol to make a comment on this issue, I was purely saying that some people have a skewed perspective on drinking.

poster Mrsmumb Sat 25-Apr-15 19:16:01
I often time a well deserved glass of wine with my final feed, I figure it's not a direct line from gob to tit and ive got a 2-4hrs for it to leave my system before next feed. I always think how ridiculous I must look baby on tit and wine in hand.

Yes but, Mrsmumb, op is talking about a bottle of wine, not a glass. Do you see the difference? Tell me you do!

Citrus? Oh please, post the PubMed link to the peer reviewed research. Caffeine is also fine.

By spreading these myths you are discouraging women from breastfeeding, making it seem abnormal, difficult, something women need to do lots of research to do successfully. People like you do a lot more harm than mothers having a bit of wine.