To think this woman is at best misguided and at worst disgusting?

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Will try to be brief.

I was introduced to a friend of a friend who is ebf her DS (about 10 weeks) and it came up in conversation that she drinks a bottle of wine in one evening once / twice a week. She was unashamed but made it clear she didn't neck it back (drinks it over the course 4-5 hours)

Once I picked my jaw up off the floor the conversation had moved on but I am still thinking about it days later.

I like a drink, can happily open a bottle and finish it the same evening [over the course of a good few hours, like the lady in question]. I had a glass of champers when 8 months pregnant so I am certainly not adverse to the notion of drinking / pregnancy / BF'ing.

AIBU to find this woman shocking though?

To not drip feed woman is a medical professional not trained in UK and currently a SAHP here, her husband is a Dr, she is not English [culturally I assume this may be relevant as maybe the info is different to here?], and she did this with her first baby who is now 5 and perfectly fine.

What is with all these judgey threads?

YABU. But hey, it gives you something to feel morally superior about.

bottle of wine over 5 hours would certainly not make me incapable of caring for a baby

Not sure why my phone "corrected" every mention of breast to breastfeeding?!

At least it made sense on context. I guess I must talk about breastfeeding much more often than i talk about breasts!

You would not be able to get drunk from drinking the blood of a drunk person
...but it might be worth a try when you've run out of booze.

There is evidence drinking in pregnancy causes harm, there is evidence that smoking around babies causes harm. There is no evidence that drinking a moderate amount while BFing causes harm. Why do people hate science?

DD1 was ebf. Partly by choice but also partly because she was intolerant to formula. She was a frequent feeder, sometimes only a half hour gap between feeds. I fed her until age 2 although obviously she fed less often as she got older. I did drink wine some evenings and as her feeding pattern was erratic sometimes I ended up feeding her whilst having a glass. I didn't have a problem with it. I didn't drink whilst pregnant but I wasn't going to be tea total for 2 years of bfing.

Op, your attitude is small minded and nasty.

As long as she's not co-sleeping, it's fine.

Alcohol and breastfeeding are ok. Just don't get so drunk you drop the baby.

disastro YOU grow up and read the NHS guidelines I posted.

Is a bottle of wine (often 9-10 units) in one evening "moderate" though.

I must confess that no-one else seemed particularly shocked during this part of the convo - there were five of us - so maybe the rest of them are MN'ers

All those people POURING scorn on OP...did you not read the NHS guidelines?

It says it can affect a baby's development!

Its actually better to drink while feeding. Its a teeny amount that goes through breastmilk to baby. Have a and dfod.

I used to do it too. Kids both grew up without growing a second head.

"Op, your attitude is small minded and nasty"

Maybe my phrasing hasn't been great but honestly am I realyl small minded for thinking 9 units in one night whilst feeding is a bit of a shocker? (she has been doing this since baby was mere weeks old as well. I am not talking about a one off)

It's a lot more in one go than I would be comfortable with.

But shocking. No, not really. Just someone doing something outside the realms of what I'd personally choose.

Just to clarify she is drinking over course of several hours and feeding baby on demand. So that could be a few times during the process of drinking the bottle? Hell it could be for the whole time she is drinking the bottle. (I don't know for sure but I know at that age baby's certainly aren't feeding to a set schedule)

Thanks for my first biscuit as well.

There is clearly no evidence that drinking while breastfeeding is harmful.

This only leaves other reasons to condemn it. Mostly sexist ones about women not being good enough parents if drinking (bet dad is drinking with no criticism). Women being expected to put their babies first at all times instead of having fun.

Yeah women know your place

Hahahaha.

Hilarious.

I fed my babies while I was eating chocolate and they got chocolate milk

The alcohol that goes into your blood stream is about the same proportionally as the alcohol in your bloodstream. So if she was at the limit for driving (80mg per 100ml in the UK) that's the equivalent of 0.08%. Assuming you had a bottle of formula that was 200ml, that's the equivalent of 0.4ml of vodka being added to the bottle. That's not even a drop.

Presume you never gave your children gripe water? Or teething gel? Or calpol or nurofen or antibiotics? Because all of those could be toxic to a baby. Y'know, in large enough quantities.

FF all of mine so happily knocked back the wine without any worry about them absorbing the Pinot Grigio.

It does sound a lot OP, I'm a wine lush but didn't drink that much when mine were babies.

When I trained to be a breast feeding peer supporter they were very relaxed about drinking whilst Breastfeeding.

They said such a small amount gets through to your milk you'd have to drink a litre of vodka on one evening for it to affect the baby and that their main concern of drinking too much is the parent falling asleep on the baby/being so drunk you can't hear the baby etc.

I think it's pretty small minded to imply that she might not know any better because she didn't train in the UK.

"Presume you never gave your children gripe water? Or teething gel? Or calpol or nurofen or antibiotics? Because all of those could be toxic to a baby. Y'know, in large enough quantities."

Indeed and that is why there are recommended dosages, as there is for alcohol / BF'ing and this woman is drinking a heck of a lot more than what is recommended?

Ah it's one of those threads! Aibu? Yes you are. Nooooo I'm not.

I would have been a bit surprised by this too .... more by her having the ability to finish a whole bottle in one evening with a 10 week old though! I am now on the other hand also very surprised by how little alcohol gets into the milk so I think as some of us are now better informed ywnbu to post this or think it and at least you kept your ill informed thoughts to yourself which is more than I did once