to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

[Mumof4worried]

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

We have had documentaries about it

Because we all know those documentaries are absolutely True Facts and not Commercial Bullshit at all.

I'm not so bothered. When the French arrive, along with all the red wine, we'll all cycle everywhere, with onions around our necks and say, un aller-simple s'il vous plait, nearly all the time.

Thanks Alis

In which case, the post about them wanting to limit women's bodily autonomy is spot on IMO.

The financial crisis isn't caused by immigrants - that is down to deregulation and piss poor management of the banks. The spending cuts aren't caused by immigration - those are due to ideological decisions to scale down the role of the state. The lack of jobs comes from these cuts to spending also, and the precarious nature of a lot of jobs is down to weakened union power leaving workers without sufficient bargaining tools to get a fair deal for themselves. The housing crisis (and I agree with you that it definitely is a crisis) isn't caused by immigration either but due to 30 years of failed housing policy including successive governments wanting to encourage 'investment' (ie speculation) in the housing market, not building enough new homes and selling off social housing (part of the speculation I mentioned). The NHS isn't in a poor state because of immigration either. Can't remember the numbers but a substantial proportion of people working in the NHS come from outside the UK - without these workers we wouldn't even have a health service. The problems with the NHS are due to hiving off services for profit to unaccountable bodies, poor budgeting decisions due to not having a sustainable economic model for it and the fact that it is used as a political football by governments keen to make their mark.

I work in a rural secondary school in the SE where there are very few immigrants or non white-british people.

The houses prices are rising in the area, the school is bursting at the seams, local businesses seem to be going out of business frequently. This is not because of immigration.

YABU to blame all these things on immigration and the EU. YANBU to vote for whoever you want - be loud and proud if you want.

Absolutely Moomins. I mentioned it as well. Creeping backdoor policies like that are just as worrying as the more overt ones.

Well I don't agree with you at all but I understand that people do not all vote the same way as I do. I do not object to anyone voting for who they want providing they have put a lot of thought into it and actually know their partys' policies. I do object to people voting because they are ill informed.

OP, why precisely are you afraid to be 'out and proud' about voting UKIP? By your own account, it's the obvious, indeed the only response to current crises in the NHS/ employment/housing/ schools - so presumably the rest of the population of Peterborough will be down at the polls with Nigel Farage's incisive political insights ringing in their ears too?

Or - wait - is it possible that people who live in the same place and are dealing with similar A and E waits and employment prospects for their offspring don't think UKIP is the answer?

Because we all know those documentaries are absolutely True Facts and not Commercial Bullshit at all

Its been fact where I am moomin, we have lived it, seen it, breathed it and suffered for it, as well have had numerous articles, and documentaries, There is simply no denying that areas with sudden and mass settlements of immigrants has been very very hard.

A forecast, planning, budgeting and so on should have been in place and Labour has admitted this was a huge mistake. I struggle to see how anyone defends it.

I don't want to out myself but could post loads of links to facts and figures.

Can someone LINK to the abortion policy about limiting it to 12 weeks instead of just saying "i think" which more likely means "i hope..."

Topseyt, do you really believe labour screwed the economy, I thought that was financial deregulation, the banking sector and subsequent global financial crash

I didn't find your 'joke' all that funny, scatter, and going by some other responses neither did other posters.

What 'legendary prowess at efficiency'? Or do you mean 'lazy racial stereotype about efficiency'?

Their decision to end sex education for primary school students is reason enough alone for me to not vote for them.

Slightlyconfused - Apt username. Have you considered that the reason your local area is bursting at the seams with non-immigrants is because of displacement caused by immigration into towns and cities? Look at the displacement into Essex caused by massive immigration into East London.

There is a birthrate explosion but as the stats I gave earlier - 57% of births in London to foreign mothers - they are not due to British people having more children.

Do we need to do a sadface Tom? Or is that just for the DM?

Will they have to take their clothes off?

Love this bit -

UKIP celebrates Britain and will promote a unifying British culture.

followed by

End the use of multi-lingual formatting on official documents

Are they including Welsh in that, I wonder?

Oooh - that reminds me about Farage's lovely view on breast feeding.

There's another reason not to vote for the utter cockwomble.

I've reported Tom's post.

Wonder why he wants single mums in their 20s...,

In Europe in the 1920s, there was a political party that scapegoated a race for all the problems that it's country was experiencing. Many, many people were convinced. In 1932 they came to power. That didn't end well for anyone.
There is simply no way that immigration can possibly be responsible for all the problems this country is facing. Immigration didn't cause the recession, global warming, what are effectively pay cuts in nursing/firefighting/teaching/policing, closure of hospitals, local authority budget cuts, an ageing population etc etc etc.
Immigrants are an easy scapegoat and voting for a propagandist party like UKIP, in my option, can only lead to trouble and despair for the UK.

Onlylovers - I see you dodged my point. Is queuing or drinking tea an offensive lazy racial stereotype about the British? I see many of your fellow travellers offered up their own mild amusing stereotypes about other nations.

Do you understand the difference between noticing differences and denigrating differences? Or perhaps you're trying to argue that no country or culture is different in any respect at all?

It isn't an issue because there is no way they will get enough MPs to ever have to use their manifesto as anything but posturing but their finances don't even come close to adding up - even putting aside how much many leading economist think we will lose in trade deals by leaving the EU.

'Vote loud and proud'?

We have a secret ballot.

What do you want to do sing an aria narrating your actions while you make your 'X'. You could, I guess