to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

[Mumof4worried]

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

Youthecat what the actual fuck?? Do you have a link to where it is ukip policy to deny women autonomy over their bodies?

I wish people would stop INVENTING ukip policy and trotting it out as fact.

Where am I going wrong in my political thinking?

It would seem more accurate to say you're going wrong because you've done no, or insufficient, political thinking.

I hear your concerns, but I think you are voting for the wrong solution. Every one of us here are all concerned about getting good health treatment, a good education for our children, affordable houses and jobs. But UKIP will not deliver a solution to those.

Do you really think immigration has made it so much worse? are they really to blame for long waits at A&E, the over-suscribed schools, the lack of affordable houses? Besides, the UK has always had controlled immigration, and has benefited financially and culturally from immigration. (Partly be exploting them, I am sorry to say).

Do you mean your friends are homosexual? There`s a difference between homosexual and homophobic.

I genuinely can't understand how people can be so vicious to people just because they don't share their socialist view point.

It's nothing to do with socialism, actually. It's to do with 'being-a-decent-human-being-ism'.

Sorry forgot to say. the reason Yabu a little bit, is you don't seemed informed on all their policies, so you would bu to vote without finding everything out.

Vote for who you want. But if you're ashamed of yourself thats your own affair/ No surprise you blame the media, since you blame immigrants for everything else

I think the reason many are voting UKIP and don't shout about it is that not many are willing to have a normal debate. Racist is shouted and on this website biscuits etc are given and so there is just no point.

If you feel, as many do that immigration, NHS and other issues a will be resolved by UKIP then absolutely vote for them.
It has however hopefully got more people voting which is a good thing.

YANBU OP. I think it will take a long time for people to realise that wanting to preserve your way of life is not racism against those who do not share it.

It might be that you have to personally experience your way of life superceded by another - as you have done and as I have done in the town I grew up in - to realise that today's levels of immigration are truly unprecedented. When you have such large numbers integration becomes a vain hope. My home town went from 79% White British in 1991 to 34% White British in 2011. Today the percentage is probably around 20%.

I don't mind if people think that this is good - that our demographic future is payback for sins of the past, or that "diversity" is just de facto a moral virtue. But I do mind when they deny what our future looks like. Every year 600k immigrants arrive. In London 57% of births are to foreign mothers. In the UK as a whole it is 26%.

I would like to see our way of life preserved so I will vote for UKIP and rational border control. Those who aren't bothered should vote for any of the other parties. I won't villify them for it, I don't expect to be villified for my choices either.

My MIL's friend is voting UKIP because of "all the Russians in Peterborough." I asked her how leaving the EU is going to sort that out. I also refrained from pointing out that her daughter is an unemployed immigrant in another country but apparently because she's white and a SAHM - she's an expat wife NOT an unskilled immigrant.

Are you aware of what UKIP wants to do with people with disabilities?

Yes, they want to return the work capability assessments to GPs who know their patients better and increase carers' allowances whilst making more support available. Absolute bastards!

Well now what you meant to write has been clarified and I can assure cactus I wasn't being disingenuous or bitchy....can you explain how your 2nd generation Asian friends would have felt 40 years ago with your lovely 'tude?

Do you know anything about UKIP policies? Remember that Nigel Farage is the "acceptable" face of the party. There are loony elements there and they are incredibly sexist. UKIP wants a return to the 1950s in more ways than one: out of the EU, no immigration, and women in the kitchen where they belong. A woman voting for UKIP is really like turkeys voting for Xmas.

I don't disagree that uncontrolled immigration is a challenge for houses, services, resources. But we also have a high birth rate. Voting UKIP is not the answer.

They want to deny women the right to autonomy over their bodies. Within their party there are rape apologists, homophobes, racists. Do you really want to give them the chance?

There is reason to think all the parties have some of these types of people in. Might as well just spoil your vote.

WTF is "our way of life"?

And how is it under threat due to immigration?

I think some of your concerns are genuine, some areas are not developed enough and don't have the infrastructure to have such high population and often struggle to deal with the rise in population so quickly. I don't think its unreasonable to be concern about how local areas can be supported.

scatter, can you expand on what 'our way of life' is and how it actually looks and functions? I read and hear about this concept a lot but have never managed to understand exactly what it actually is.

And can you also explain the problem with having 'your way of life superceded by another'?

You give plenty of figures, but can you expand on what they mean? What effects they have on society/the economy?

Yes jolly except its own people doesn't include the disabled or women or any ethnic minorities. So just the needs of white able bodies men then

You should vote for who you want to vote for. That's the beauty of our system. And it's anonymous. People will only know if you tell them. Not really sure why all the angst and secret squirrels, OP.

What town do you live in Scatter?

And what do you think of the fact that UKIP don't get any significant support in the city with the highest immigrant population (London)?

Yes, they want to return the work capability assessments to GPs who know their patients better and increase carers' allowances whilst making more support available. Absolute bastards!

That's very interesting actually is this really their policy!

Yep vote for UKIP and just watch the streets run with blood, and democracy come crumbling down. OP whilst i agree things aint perfect we're better off than most countries. Be grateful you live in a relatively free country with free education for boys and girls and have an NHS. Immigration is an excuse for far wider social and financle problems and not because of it.

Indeed what is 'our way of life'??? You mean white British life obviously. So none of those blacks or Asians who came to this country and transformed it 60odd years ago count do they?

There may well be those 'types' in every party but UKIP seem to have rather more than their share. Plus the finances are coming from people with dubious views (marital rape doesn't exist and women shouldn't wear trousers from one big bankroller). I don't believe that backers would spend a substantial amount of money on a party whose views don't chime with their own.
OP if you research the options and still feel like voting UKIP then I urge you to dig deeper and think about the NHS being dismantled. Don't vote on one issue in isolation.

Do you realise how long your wait in a&e would be if it would be if there weren't as many immigrants? The reason that the nhs is in a state is far more complex than the crap ukip spout. Far too many people are in acute settings when they don't need to be because there isn't the right support for them to move into community settings or stay at home. What is ukip going to do about that?

Of course we need immigration we just don't need un controlled immigration and unprecedented numbers of people coming here!

Huge countries like Australia and Canada and USA have very strict controls to protect their population and make sure there are enough jobs and housing for their citizens and resources. You have to go through hoops and many processes to make sure you are going to be a good fit for the country.