To ask if anyone is actually against lgbt+ ?

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If so why? Please people no attacking I am genuinely curious. I know American is more homophobic than UK, and I think (hopefully!) this thread will be empty, but anyone with any experiences or suchlike?

Also please don't accuse me of being homophobic.
(may sound ridic to epect to be accused, but when asking someone this,^ was the reply...)

I wouldn't mind who DD shags or is attracted to. As long as she's happy and consenting and so are they.

I do wonder how I would feel if she told me she was trans. Because in our house, we go with what she wants in terms of hair, toys, activities, clothes, all those gender identifying things. She chooses who she is and I would struggle, as a feminist, to understand why she couldn't be who she wanted to be with the body she has.

I do think gender is a social construct and sex is biological so that would worry me. Possibly it would make me understand and I certainly would take her lead in it. However, some of the stories coming out about parents and puberty blockers in young children... I would struggle with that.

One of my friends defines himself as queer. Originally lesbian, but now trans (but not going for full op, just hormones and mastectomy), was in a lesbian relationship but met another previously lesbian now trans (same attitude to trans level). Now in ltr that is neither gay nor lesbian, but something in between. As such, he defines himself as queer.

Thank you moln the ' would you still be attracted' question is a good explanation.

Forgive my terrible grammar

Queer is a thing. My DD did a degree in Theology and one of her fellow students did a dissertation which was based around Queer Studies.

Here is a definition:
Queer studies, or Sexual Diversity Studies, or LGBT studies is the study of issues relating to sexual orientation and gender identity usually focusing on lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, and intersex people and cultures. (The acronym may be written LGBT, LGBTQ, LGBTQI, GBLT, etc.)

I was quite shocked at how many people were openly and publicly against equal marriage. That really opened my eyes to homophobia and got me thinking more about it.

I've had gay friends before but I naively never thought about homophobia as such a big thing. I knew there were some violent homophobic people out there and stupidly thought they were a minority and that everyone else was accepting.

Since dd was born I've become very aware of how heterosexuality is normalised in our language. It's made me realise that I want to make an effort to talk of her future boyfriend or girlfriend, not just boyfriend iyswim.

Trans people aren't normally "defined" as pre-op or post-op. That implies that they are going to have "the op" at some point.

Some do. Some don't. Surgical or non surgical is one way of defining if you need to define a person by their operational status.

Whoever's confused by 'LGBT+' is clearly not involved with fourth wave feminism or whatever number we're on now or the so-called 'social justice' movement. I got told off online for refusing to accept that 'otherkin' is a valid identity - i.e. people believing that they're not fully human, whether because they're part animal or part mythical creature - and saying that anyone with 'headmates' (claiming to hear voices from other souls living in their heads) is either lying or needs medication. Apparently this is ableist, oppressive and erasing people's experiences

Pansexual is tame, believe me.

Oh but I'm not homophobic, sorry OP.

I tink you're right Orlando.
I know that many would feel deceived if they weren't aware of their current partners sexual/ gender status.
My friend has recently been dumped because her partner found out she was in a same sex relationship before him.
I don't feel the need to discuss previous relationships with current partners, apart from in passing or if its relevant but I know it's important to some.

I'm trans - and finding someone is so important to me. But I really worry about that person having an issue with my "status". I worry that I will never find someone.

And in answer to the OP, yes, some people on here and elsewhere do have an issue with people who are not "like them".

I consider myself pansexual. Don't care what a person's gender or sexual identity is, or whether they consider themselves cisgender or not - If I'm attracted to them, I'm attracted to them, sexually or romantically.

To be honest I dont think you can label anyone anything, I used pre op and post op in my last post as an example not an all encompassing catergory.

Not everyone slots into a catergory, I'm 'hetrosexual' but I dont find women unattractive, were I not married I may well have entered a relationship with a woman, making me bisexual, homosexual?. Who knows!

Btw I didn't mean to sound dismissive of the term pansexual in my previous post. I have some issue with it, but nowhere near on the same scale as otherkin etc - my main problem is the implication that all bisexual people would be unhappy to date someone who was transgender, and I don't think that's true at all.

Do you think a person not being sexually attracted to someone anymore, because that person finds out the others sexual bias, status, or history make that person homophobic?

I'll answer OP!

Personally, I don't have it within me to get het up about other people's sexual partners.

So long as you don't want to have sex with a child, an animal, a dead person, or my husband (well, you can want, just don't try on the last one!) I couldn't care less.

What goes on between consenting adults is none of my business!

I don't think it makes that person homophobic, people have a right to discriminate who they chose to have sex with/ find attractive.

Oh ok intrinsic I get it, though if your bisexual and aren't bothered by someone being trans then you'd get labelked pansexual?

A person's label can change, because labelling people doesn't really work, to many variables depending who people met and when!

Plenty of people are against LGBT+ (including ridiculing the terms people use to identify their sexuality). The most modern term is QUILTBAG which is Queer / Questioning, Unsure, Intersex, Lesbian, Trans*, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay.

For whoever asked earlier, grey-sexuals are mostly asexuals but occasionally fancy sex, demi-sexuals are people who only feel sexual attraction when they are romantically involved with someone, and sapio-sexuals are people who fancy others purely for their mind and not their bodies. I think.

I'm a gay woman and have experienced "anti" from all sorts of people including a former friend who is a gay man who told me I shouldn't be allowed to have children. While I was pregnant. I'm putting that down to womb envy.

As others have said I don't think you're going to find all that many people queuing to tell you how homophobic they are on MN though.

Ive known someone who identified as transethnic, that was a bit but made them happy. Never heard of other in..

my main problem is the implication that all bisexual people would be unhappy to date someone who was transgender, and I don't think that's true at all

That's not my understanding of pansexual, my understanding is that bisexuals are attracted to men & women (including trans men and trans women) whereas pansexuals don't believe in a gender binary and are attracted to people who do not define either as men OR as women, including those who are genderqueer, agender or gender-fluid.

I didn't know what pansexual was either. I had visions of Gordon Ramsay leering at copperbottoms and polishing his wok.

I feel the same moomin, if I split from my current relationship tomorrow I wouldn't look for a particular type of person. I wouldn't be fussed.
It must be difficult Orlando, I think being trans is still very taboo
People find it difficult to identify with others who have different likes/ dislikes to them.

Interestingly though there would be no need for a name for any sexuality if everyone one was accepting of everyone's sexual attractions and gender desire.

I don't think someone is homophobic if they don't want to be with someone anymore because of their sexual status. I think that they may feel deceived that they didn't know 'who' that person was/ is entirely.