To ask if anyone is actually against lgbt+ ?

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If so why? Please people no attacking I am genuinely curious. I know American is more homophobic than UK, and I think (hopefully!) this thread will be empty, but anyone with any experiences or suchlike?

Also please don't accuse me of being homophobic.
(may sound ridic to epect to be accused, but when asking someone this,^ was the reply...)

You've got it pretty spot on. You don't just wake up,say I think I will have my penis inverted because I like all this stuff that women like so I must be a woman. Then pop down the doctors and get surgery.

It so does not work like that.

The surgery is so crude though. I don't think of myself as a woman I think of myself as a person. If I woke up with a penis tomorrow yes it would be weird, probably more so for my husband, but I very much doubt I would want the penis removed and an artificial vagina created. I rather have orgasms than not have them even if my genitals don't feel how I think they should. Your body might feel wrong but it's still your body.

But back to the OP.

I think homosexual people are more accepted than before but there is still homophobia. I think lesbians are still less accepted -or less talked about.

Trans people still face massive discrimination. I think a part of the reason is that some people don't believe it's a thing and think that it's people who want to wear female / male clothes and to act out their gender. Maybe it is for some - we still have a traditional view of gender and it's not easy to break out for some so they need a diagnosis.

*2rebecca"

Not worth trying to explain it to you.

"I know American is more homophobic than UK

This is a tremendous over-generalization and over-simplification. As an example, same sex marriage was legal in several US states long before it was legal anywhere in the UK."

Yes - I live in one of those states. We passed gay marriage by popular vote several years ago. The local church performs same sex wedding ceremonies. My DD's (age 13-14) friends are a whole mixture of sexualities and no one is given any grief about it.

Would you really feel normal though if you woke up in a man's body? It's not just about having a penis - you'd grow a beard, your voice would be different, you'd have hair on your chest and back (maybe). You wouldn't have breasts anymore. Your skin would be less soft, because your muscle-to-fat ratio would be different, you'd smell different. You wouldn't be able to wear the same clothes (obviously that's partly a societal thing, but some of them just wouldn't fit).

I don't think I could live with that. Is that somehow sexist and gender stereotyping, or is it only bad when people born male-bodied feel that way?

It would be a surprise, but I would adjust.

i am 'against' (well really i am just puzzled by) how trans fits into the mix of lgb.

i'd be ok with it, it wouldn't make any difference to who i am as a person, and i might get paid more

You are forgetting the fact that your brain is screaming at you that your body is wrong.

That's the thing that makes people trans. Their body does not fit their soul.

But I love the way people have just said that stuff. It shows a total lack of understanding and almost dismissal of trans issues.

Its not a dismissal. We were asked how we would feel, and we answered the question. I would adjust if I woke up as a man.

I can (kind of) understand your brain screaming that your body is wrong to the point that you are willing to undergo surgery to alter your body to fit.

I don't understand that some trans people are apparently happy to have mis-matching tops and bottoms, as shown on the recent Louis Theroux show, where some people only wanted 'top' surgery and not 'bottom' surgery. If your brain is telling you you're a woman, why would it have no problem with having a penis?

I would adjust if I woke up as a man

And your brain was telling you you were in the wrong body? So you felt suicidal, self harmed etc?

You'd adjust. Why can't trans people just adjust to their body?

I get that some people might feel differently, obviously everyone is different and some people might be completely fine with it. But does anyone think I'm sexist for feeling that way?

That is not what I said. We were asked how we would feel if we woke up in the wrong body? I really would feel okay, after the initial surprise.

That is not what I said. We were asked how we would feel if we woke up in the wrong body

Yes - the wrong body. That's the whole point.

And sorry, you don't know how you would feel if you woke up in the wrong body.

No I don't know. But I have been made disabled. I have had a major change to my body I didn't want. I had to adjust.

I wasn't referring to you in particular, lucy - a pp said that being transgender was sexist, because it all hinged on gender stereotypes. I said I would feel terrible too if I felt I was in the wrong body, despite not believing in/conforming to gender stereotypes, so I was asking if it was sexist for me as well.

Adjust or have treatment? If treatment was available, would you take it? Especially if the alternative was unliveable?

Treatment is available.It's not ideal but it's better than adjusting.

Sorry, x-posts - I see you were replying to Orlando (I think?)

it sounds a desperately unhappy situation to be in

But it isn't the wrong body. They have xy chromosomes. It is the right body. Why does their brain think that being a female would be so very different? Most people don't think about whether their bodies are right or wrong, they just accept they have the body they have. You might want a different body but as men who want to "be" women have never been women how do they know it is so very different and that that is right? It does seem very grass is always greener to me. What real difference does it make in a modern Western country?
I really don't accept that men and women are so very different. we are just people.

People have to adjust to changes in their body all the time. The issue isn't someone's body, the issue is they have body dysmorphia.