To ask if anyone is actually against lgbt+ ?

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If so why? Please people no attacking I am genuinely curious. I know American is more homophobic than UK, and I think (hopefully!) this thread will be empty, but anyone with any experiences or suchlike?

Also please don't accuse me of being homophobic.
(may sound ridic to epect to be accused, but when asking someone this,^ was the reply...)

2rebecca

Maybe if you listened to transpeople, you might understand.

Lovely and patronising!

So in answer to the OP, yes, people do have an issue with trans people.

Orlando - Please don't patronise me. I know many Trans people and they don't all have the same views as you.

Well please don't try and tell me I should just adjust to my body.

I told you nothing of the kind.

That's the impression I got. Sorry if you didn't mean it - but I got the impression you were saying that trans people should just adjust to their situation.

There's just quite a few people who dismiss trans people, who think it's all made up, who think that there is no such thing as a body /mind mismatch and who happily use the word "men" when transwomen hate such a word. It gets very tiring having to fight such views all the time.

I have no prejudices against any of this. I live my life in the best way I know how with the feelings and body that I have, and I let others get on and do what feels right for them in the best way they know how with the feelings and bodies that they have got (or by changing their body and feelings if they want to as well!)

The only thing I hate is the 'LGBTQIA' thing (lesbian, gay, biexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, asexual). I don't understand why all these things are 'grouped' together separately to 'heterosexual' when each has quite a different definition. If you think all these types of people can be grouped, then think of one word for it (because you can't even say LGBTQIA out loud) and if not then why bother with the grouping and the very awkward acronym?

Is trans classed as body dysmorphia? Is it a mental illness? Some google results say yes, some no.

( that's not ment to offend, I genuinely want to know)

Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental illness.

You are seen by lots of psychiatrists to rule out mental illnesses. Like homosexuality used to be -it's in the psychiatrist's handbook.

Interesting thread. I think I have a problem with transgender ideas. I certainly don't think it's all made up, and I wouldn't dismiss it, but I struggle with it. I am inclined to think that it is a psychological issue, that should be addressed from a psychological perspective, rather than something that can be solved with hormones and surgery. I also worry that society has some rather narrow ideas about what someone of a particular gender should be, and that this contributes to gender dysphoria. If that makes me transphobic, then maybe I am. I apologise for any offence caused. But I would like to understand this issue better.

I think very few people are totally heterosexual although my husband would say he is one of them. Most people I know who are heterosexual sometimes fancy someone of the same sex. I agree that I'm not sure that the boxes help. I sometimes fancy women and have had a lesbian relationship but have never felt the need to put myself in a bisexual box. It doesn't seem anyone else's business to me who I sleep with.

I'm out of here. Been there, done that on here plenty of times.

Thanks Orlando

Most of the difficulties surrounding the issue of labels come from the longstanding, deeply entrenched concept that a 'normal' human being (the default definition of 'human being') is a heterosexual, white, male-born man. Every other type of person, ie the majority of the human race, counts as 'other'.

Oh and though I know the thread has moved on, I was wondering a bit about the people who have multiple personalities/conversations with their other selves. I am not an expert but if someone who hears voices accepts the voices and is quite comfortable with them, surely that's a good thing. Whether they choose to consider the voices they hear as companion souls, nothing-to-worry-about brainfarts or evidence of their own psychic powers, that ought to be up to them and they shouldn't have to be drugged or locked up or 'counselled' into accepting they are ill if they are happy and functioning comfortably.

Orlando, unlike homosexuality, most Trans people want gender identity disorder to be listed as an illness. Otherwise in countries they can't get surgery and hormones.
And that is the fundamental difference, gay and lesbian people don't need surgery or hormones to be themselves, so it is really not comparable.

Has everyone read this?

www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/mcguffey-school-anti-gay-day-_n_7101046.html

Fucking unbelievable.

People like that would get absolutely ruined if they had gone to my school.

You do realise that providing these operations saves lives too?

41% of transgender people attempt suicide. That's nine times more than the national average. 50% of trans youth have an attempt before their 20th birthday

So don't tell me helping them to achieve what they feel like inside isn't life saving.

The rate of suicide goes down after surgery, for 6 months, and then returns to the pre surgery rate.
Those who do seem to benefit from the surgery are those who pass, and who don't expect it to solve all their problems - from follow ups after surgery.
Only 20% of M2Fs get genital surgery and about 5% of F2Ms.

As a member of LGBTQA I am actually against the whole idea of 'Q'. It's a word I don't want to reclaim and due to my personal history with the word I am uncomfortable with calling people queer, even if they asked me to.
I can't stop other people calling themselves it though.