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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To despair of Mumsnet?

221 replies

chilephilly · 17/03/2015 20:52

Threads I've read in the last half hour so....
I'm spending more than what a significant part of the UK earns in a year on a holiday
I'm voting Conservative
Owen Jones is a skid mark
I love UKIP immigration policy.

Us Socialists are unwelcome. AIBU? Or am I just reading the wrong bits?
(preparing to be told to feck off to Russia)

OP posts:
LikeIcan · 19/03/2015 09:29

400k for a house is cheap where I live.

( But probably best to leave it there.)

atticusclaw · 19/03/2015 09:30

Holidays are expensive.

FWIW I am a very high earner and I think £8k on a holiday is a lot. We did it last year but that was 2 weeks all inclusive at Disney (in one of the best Disney hotels) in Orlando and included private limo transfers, Cirque du Soleil, Universal Studios etc and we certainly don't do that every year.

Because I can get that holiday for £8k, I resent spending the same money on two weeks in greece.

But PP is right, it is entirely dependent on the individual and their own personal circumstances. Clearly if your household income is £20k, £8k for a two week holiday would be outrageous.

merrygoround51 · 19/03/2015 10:00

We are probably classed as high earners and I would consider 8k a lot - as a holiday of a lifetime fine but there is no 'requirement' to spend that to have a really lovely family holiday.

kim147 · 19/03/2015 10:39

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WyrdSmyth · 19/03/2015 10:59

I have struggled to find a decent hotel in the Med, all inclusive for 2 weeks in August for much less than 6 or 7K to be honest.

But this is because I like my comforts on holiday and like a certain standard of things. If I had to go somewhere too basic and cheerless I wouldn't see the point and would rather stay at home.

But I still don't think 6 or 8K is outrageous because I know it's easily possible to spend upwards of 10 or 12K on 2 weeks in the Med in August, and I know people who do.

LikeIcan · 19/03/2015 11:01

I'd far rather spend 8k on 2 weeks in Greece ( or preferably the Amalfi coast ) than 2 weeks in Disney - stuff of nightmares for me.

Theoretician · 19/03/2015 11:54

I dislike Owen Jones merely for his earnest teenage-level leftiness.

Off the back of the other thread I wasted a precious few minutes of my life failing to understand his falling out with women, and concluded it was a bun-fight that everyone involved deserved to lose, as a punishment for having nothing better to waster their energy on.

purplehandgang · 19/03/2015 11:56

I think I love Owen Jones. Yanbu

Lweji · 19/03/2015 12:03

who is Owen Jones?

And I don't mean for anyone to Google it for me. I'm just pointing out that I don't know. And don't care...

useful

ArcheryAnnie · 19/03/2015 12:45

Yeah, Theoretician, women wanting bodily autonomy and angry with a national columnist and darling of the left for dismissing their very real concerns - it's just a bunfight, no? What sillies we are for thinking our rights matter, or for wasting our time trying to hang onto the rights we have.

Pyjamasandwine · 19/03/2015 12:52

No idea who he is either but he sounds tedious.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/03/2015 13:35

I'm a socialist in the British tradition, and I think Owen Jones is a skidmark.

Meh to how much people spend on holidays. I wouldn't even open a thread about that, it's just not of interest.

Jackieharris · 19/03/2015 13:43

Nrft but I do agree that mn has become more right wing in the last 5 years.

It is very dominated by white middle class middle aged mothers living in the se of England.

The threads on benefits, house prices, private schools etc are an awful lot of 'my diamond shoes are too tight'.

It's a bubble, far removed from most mums.

So many of the Scottish, young, poor, feminists etc have been hounded out.

Theoretician · 19/03/2015 13:56

Yeah, Theoretician, women wanting bodily autonomy and angry with a national columnist and darling of the left for dismissing their very real concerns - it's just a bunfight, no?

Well I did say that I hadn't worked out what the issue was. I got the impression trans people where somehow involved, and on the basis that there aren't enough of them to make a difference to the overall progress of the universe, decided it couldn't be important (to me.)

Surely if someone has said something silly about bodily autonomy, you dismiss the airhead and move on? (I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here in not knowing what was said.) Like the Dolce & Gabbana thing re. IVF: what was said was so ridiculous that you I'd question someone's priorities if they gave it more than a two word response. (Even if they had an IVF child.)

OK IBU for wittering on about something where I admit I don't have the relevant facts.

TSSDNCOP · 19/03/2015 14:14

Is Owen Jones the one that looks like Phoebe from Friends brother?

I'm surprised anyone would admit to voting Tory or spending more than £8.50 on anything on this site for fear of being posted straight to hell.

Whittling ones own caravan and decorating it with copies of the Gaurdian is far more worthy.

RandomNPC · 19/03/2015 15:05

It is very dominated by white middle class middle aged mothers living in the se of England.

The threads on benefits, house prices, private schools etc are an awful lot of 'my diamond shoes are too tight'.

Grin lot of truth here

Edsgreypatch · 19/03/2015 15:32

So many of the Scottish, young, poor, feminists etc have been hounded out.

I'm a feminist. I'm also white, middle aged and middle class. They are not mutually exclusive, you know.

BackCrackAndNappySack · 19/03/2015 16:09

How many Scottish young poor feminists were there to start with, given that 'so many' have been hounded out? Confused

kim147 · 19/03/2015 16:13

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Jackieharris · 19/03/2015 17:40

I meant all those separate groups of ex mumsnetters. I didn't mean people who fit all those categories!

Loads of Scottish mners got bullied during the independence campaign last summer.

Young mums are often made to feel unwelcome and are told to go to netmuns, ditto the poor/on benefits.

The feminist board is a shadow of its former self. All the 'big' posters of its heyday have left. The trolling there was horrendous.

didyouwritethe · 19/03/2015 18:32

Where is Scottishmummy, who was the beacon of them all?

BringMeTea · 20/03/2015 06:20

BackCrack thanks for that. Shame. Has he gone all country squire?

OTheHugeManatee · 20/03/2015 10:04

I spotted someone who I briefly suspected of being scottishmummy a while back, but in the end I don't think it was her.

I miss Xenia too though I do sometimes think she's still around.

TBH reading this thread I suspect people see what they want to see in MN. Personally I read MN to divert myself with a bit of gentle frothing, and as such tend to click on the threads where people are most likely to post opinions that I find idiotic. I suspect lots on here do similar, whether they realise it or not.

As such, whatever your political views, I think lots of MNers gravitate towards threads we disagree with, as it's just more entertaining than nodding sagely when someone has already said whatever I would say. Where's the fun in that?

So the multiculturalists, diversity hawks and liberal lefties all worry MN is being taken over by racists and Thatcherites, while those of a more conservative disposition roll their eyes and mutter about the country going to the dogs with the thought police taking over. And so it goes on. We're all filtering for what gets our blood boiling for a decent debate, and we're all seeing what we want to see.

What I do find concerning is what I perceive as a gentle trend within MN for strong clashes of opinion to be moderated out. I've always appreciated MN's robust culture of encouraging people to argue their own corner and assuming each poster's ability to do this, and think one person's perception of a post being 'goady' or 'rude' simply isn't an adequate reason to censure the poster. It implies that people need protection from having their emotions raised, which is a very modern idea and IMO not a very good one.

GallicGarlic · 20/03/2015 10:31

YYYYYYYYYYYY, OTM! I'm still unsure whether the whole of the UK's getting dumber, faster, or if my perspective's skewed by spending so much time on post-beaker Mumsnet.

It's still a haven of intelligent women discussing stuff, though. You just have to trawl through more predictable rants to find them.

I think Xenia's still here, under different name/s. She's probably on her extended Spring break to somewhere exotic just now.

BakewellSlice · 20/03/2015 10:44

The referendum threads were not bullying imo and I'm sorry if they were experienced as such; it was an issue which would have affected many real lives and so posters were challenged on their assertions. Normally,today for example, if someone posted that an independent Scotland would be financially stable I'd not counter that poster for the sake of peace! But in the run up to the ref., yes I would have argued about that.

Not bullying on my part (in my opinion!) but a reality check.