To despair of Mumsnet?

[chilephilly]

Threads I've read in the last half hour so....
I'm spending more than what a significant part of the UK earns in a year on a holiday
I'm voting Conservative
Owen Jones is a skid mark
I love UKIP immigration policy.

Us Socialists are unwelcome. AIBU? Or am I just reading the wrong bits?
(preparing to be told to feck off to Russia)

Whoever posted that thinking '8K was pretty reasonable for 2 weeks, AI in the Med' clearly showed that person was totally out of touch with reality is talking nonsense.

Why is the 'reality' of someone happy to spend 8K on a holiday somehow less 'real' than someone who can only spend 800 quid?

Neither is nearer or further 'from reality' than the other. They just have different realities that's all.

I've never heard of Owen Jones before, but it's not uncommon for blokes who are 'good eggs' on many subjects manage to goof horribly on others - in particular if they do something like pontificating on matters pertaining to some other group (gender, class, race or whatever) oblivious that they're speaking from a privileged position. Did this bloke do something like that perhaps?

YANBU. Apparently I'm a bad mother for leaving my [incessantly crying] baby crying whilst I go to the loo.

Very true, Errol.

Will someone enlighten us?

I misread part of the OP as "US [i.e. American] Socialists are unwelcome."

MrsBoJangles - sometimes nature calls louder even than a baby. So long as you don't read the whole of a newspaper or book when you escape to the loo, you're fine.

Maybe socialists are a dying breed. Who knows?? This is a forum and people are allowed to have different views and express them. (speaking as someone with no political views - I hate the effing lot of them)

Aww Hun - please don't despair!
There's another place for you elsewhere!

This thread really is original.

I still think it's fairly lefty around here and I'm a lefty who lurks a lot. The next few weeks will be interesting as you'll get a good idea of the demographic as the election draws closer.

The holiday thread's a bit pointless. Some people will tell the truth others won't.
If someone had the money to spend 8k for two weeks in Cyprus then each to their own. So long as they pay their taxes and do their bit for others then I don't really care what they spend their own dosh on.

Some people will also vote Conservative mainly because they've probably had quite a good time under coallition rule. The austerity that has devastated others probably has largely passed them by. That's life unfortunately.

Re holidays- If you want to stay in a place like this on the greek islands it would easily set you back £8k for 2 weeks in August. More actually - that doesn't include flights. It's lovely, we've stayed there off season - but it's just a private villa with pool. They can charge those prices because people will pay.

Diversity is to be celebrated, as is the free discussion of opinions. MN is a lot better on both those scores than it was, say, eighteen months ago.

Discussion is much better when people aren't just intimidated into agreeing with the very vocal.

Obviously there should be no platform for fascism.

PS He is a bit of a skidmark.

Mumsnet is banal. Its worth visiting once in a blue moon when a) you're searching for a specific answer to something (answers already outlined on an old thread for example) or b) you literally have run out of things to read or do in your life and need some perspective, i.e. that people do actually waste time here.

You've inspired me to go, after a recent flirtation with the place. Thank you.

I'd still be thinking Owen The Boy Jones was the second coming if not for mumsnet I'd missed his utterly wankish statements from the soapbox of male privilege, but MN brought me up to speed. Now I just feel he has very sound politics and some ishoos.

I see Mumsnet (and Facebook, since I'm still friends with my rich pals from a previous life) as an opportunity to educate the cushioned and the ignorant. And to have a moan. And a laugh.

It's okay, really.

The poster who spends 30k on family holidays clarified that with a breakdown of costs and referencing "two top end City salaries". As a proportion of their income I suspect the holiday isn't costing them as much as it sounds like it should be.

A lot of people vote Conservative, MN has a wide cross section of contributors. It's logical to assume there is a crossover of group somewhere in the Venn diagram of Mumsnetters and tory voters.

I have no idea who Owen Jones is, and I don't live in the UK so I am not up to jiminy with the UKIP immigration policy either. However I had to jump through several point scoring hoops in order to immigrate to the country I am now in and I don't think a tightly restrictive immigration policy with the aim of benefitting the country is a bad idea at all (assuming that's what the UKIP one is broadly like).

I love MN. It reminds me of living in the UK :) I can get all righteously angry with random strangers, I can get all gooey and emotional over lovely stories about random strangers, I can occasionally contribute to medical threads and try to alleviate stress and worry in random strangers (though the last time I did I was accused of pretending to be someone else for kicks - odd, that). And there's nothing like a good parking thread to bring out the voyeur in the best of us! Don't despair, just eat with a large pinch of salt :)

HD, UKIP is like the barmy army. It's an upstart right-wing party that says anything they think voters want to hear, even if it's not what they said yesterday. Their candidates keep having to stand down because of horrendously racist/sexist/homophobic statements. They want to repeal anti-racism laws, anti-wife-beating laws, and various other bastions of civilisation as we know it. They were actually quite funny until they started getting elected. Led by a grinning upper-class twit with a half-drunk pint in hand for every photo opportunity, they are very british

(me and my dad actually joked that Nige was a rich, privileged man in a white van. Without wanting to offend anyone of course.)

MN demographic is overall much more left leaning than the general population (the 2010 MN election poll showed that if MN was represenatitive of the general population, the Lib Dems would have won - as it was they were wiped out).

So OP you don't want any threads on MN unless they chime entirely with your own views?

It never ceases to amaze me that people who declare themselves socialist and/or liberal are, more often than not, the people who are the most intolerant of any opinion or view that differs from their own.

Posters from any, all, or no political persuasion, any, all, or no religious affiliation, any background, and any financial status should be equally welcome.

Hmm, Bunting. I'm unconvinced the general population is right-leaning. The mainstream media are - but that doesn't represent people's actual views any more. The pre-election polls are still running half and half.

The Lib Dems may have been 'wiped out' but they ended up in office!

Whoops, I like that

Gallic I'm refering to the 2010 election, and the fact that the LD's did not poll anywhere near as many votes as they would have if the MN poll (which showed them as the most popular party amongst mumsnetters) was representative of the general voting population. The LD's were the most left leaning mainstream party at the last election. Possibly the demographic of MN has changed over the last 5 years. We'll see - I still expect that the MN poll (if they do one) will be more in favour of Labour than the actual election result.

I think you need to get a grip and accept that not everyone shares your income, your views or your politics and there is room for everyone, so long as they are not doing or saying anything that breaks the law.