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AIBU?

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AIBU or is he regarding breast feeding?

307 replies

Thereisnoplacelikehome · 01/03/2015 16:29

I am currently pregnant, it's my 3rd child and Dp's first. We can not agree on anything to do with raising the baby. I am aware we should have thought about all this before deciding whether to have a baby or not.

The biggest thing is breast feeding. I think I should try to breast feed. My reasons are

It's free
It's much better for the baby
It's more convenient, no making up bottles in the middle of the night etc

Dp wants me to bottle feed, his reasons are

He finds breast feeding disgusting
He thinks science beats nature so formula will be made much better than breast milk

So who is being unreasonable? Dp says he is happy to get up in the night and make up bottles.

OP posts:
leedy · 02/03/2015 11:43

"it's their baby - they both need to have a say"

No, actually, he doesn't, he really doesn't, because she's the one with the boobs. Do you think he should be entitled to take the baby off her breast because "he has a say" and "we decided you wouldn't do that before you had the baby, didn't we?", or force her to breastfeed if she actually wants to FF?

leedy · 02/03/2015 11:45

The idea that anyone else would be "entitled" to "have a say" about what I do with my own breasts actually makes me feel sick with anger.

mayfridaycomequickly · 02/03/2015 11:45

No - nobody should be forcing anything - but I don't think that we can tout the 'men need to muck in and help...' whilst at the same time saying 'it's her baby, she decides...'

AnyFucker · 02/03/2015 11:50

mayfriday, flip your comment around

if op didn't want to BF but he thought she should...would it be ok for him to force the issue ?

how does it work, exactly ?

it's pointless him yapping on about "having his say" regarding how baby is fed...because how will it be enforced ? There is no compromise, is there ?

So, the one with the boobs gets the "say" and the one without the boobs provides the support. Full stop.

leedy · 02/03/2015 11:50

It's not specifically that it's "her baby", it's HER BREASTS, part of HER ACTUAL BODY. He can offer his (as it appears, weird) opinion, but she's entirely within her rights to tell him to fvck off.

mayfridaycomequickly · 02/03/2015 11:53

Any - I clearly said that no, nothing should be forced. BUT - I do believe that he is entitled to an opinion on their baby

AnyFucker · 02/03/2015 11:59

but what would be the point in persisting with this opinion, or trying to make your partner feel bad about it ?

this bloke is quoting Mad Science at the op in an attempt to make her come round to his "opinion"

BaronessBomburst · 02/03/2015 12:00

Please don't express to give him a bottle for night feeds. The hormones controlling milk production are most active at night. You risk screwing up your supply and playing, unintentionally, right into his hands.
Get him to bring you tea and sandwiches instead.

ouryve · 02/03/2015 12:03

Not read past first post but, unquestionably, he is.

MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 02/03/2015 12:06

He is entitled to an opinion on their baby, may, as long as his opinions do not relate to what the OP does with her own body. What nappies they use, whether they pushchair or babywear - fine, they need to work on that as a team, neither has priority. Breastfeeding? That needs to be all the decision of the OP.

Thereisnoplacelikehome · 02/03/2015 12:10

I've told him expressing messes up your supply especially in the early days. I've told him it's about supply and demand and it's very clever. I've also told him expressing enough for one feed takes a long time. He just looks at me like I'm crazy. He refuses to read up on it.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 02/03/2015 12:12

he isn't entitled to an "opinion" when that "opinion" is based on bullshit

shadylane · 02/03/2015 12:16

What an absolute prick.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 02/03/2015 12:27

Why would anyone listen to the opinions of someone so fucked up?

AnyFucker · 02/03/2015 12:32

thankfully, OP seems relatively unswayed by such a pillock

I am finding it difficult to comprehend why she is with him in the first place though...

MonkeySeeMonkeyDooo · 02/03/2015 12:32

He's an idiot. An absolute idiot.

Rikalaily · 02/03/2015 12:40

I would be seriously second thinking having this man as a full time co-parent if he can't even be arsed putting the health of his baby first. Wow. Honestly, if dp (now dh) had spouted that shit I would probably be a single parent of 4 right now.

CavalierQueenCharlotte · 02/03/2015 12:41

"Hello it's headgirlmumsnet here. Thank you lovely laydees for reporting this thread, the head mistress will take a quick look then post a sooper patronising message in response"

If it hasn't happened it's coming.

AnyFucker · 02/03/2015 12:45
Confused
dietcokeandwine · 02/03/2015 12:58

He sounds like a major idiot with some major 'ishoos', OP. Well done for seeming relatively unfazed by it but I agree with a pp-make sure you have a good support network around you.

I do think that in all aspects of parenthood decisions should be joint ones with the exception of three things : pregnancy, labour and breastfeeding. Because everything else can be shared jointly, but only the woman can do those three things. That's not to say that both parents can't discuss what they might consider to be ideal-but ultimately the woman says yes or no and her decision has to be final, and supported wholeheartedly by the partner.

Fwiw, on bf front I've seen it the other way around, too. Friend of mine was happily breastfeeding but really wanted to give formula in the evenings to give her a break. Her DH refused to even contemplate this ('it would make me feel so much better if I could just have a bit of respite from it but he's said no, no formula, just breast milk for at least the first year') and IMO it made her miserable. She went along with it despite lots of friends telling her it had to be her decision. In this case her DH was being controlling but it was because he genuinely felt it was the right thing for his DC and so imposed it regardless of what his DW really felt, because he felt what was 'best for baby' should override everything else. (Still didn't make it right though IMO!)

It has to be your decision OP. Good luck, it sounds like you are going to need it.

PeasinPod1 · 02/03/2015 13:19

so- he could honestly see his newborn baby do the breast crawl, reach out for your boob to feed from, one of the sweetest, most gorgeous, innocent miracles that is babies/birth (IMO) and tell you to put them away love as he finds it "disgusting"??? If my DH had ever made such a comment I doubt Id be with him, let alone even contemplate that he actually has a point.

CultureSucksDownWords · 02/03/2015 13:20

Ask him to provide research to prove that formula is better for babies than breastmilk if he's so convinced of it that he won't even listen to you.

Perhaps his personal issues around seeing women breastfeed are clouding his ability to be rational about this, especially as he seems to not be listening to you at all about it.

Oh, and you might want to discuss weaning with him at some point soon if you haven't already (spoonfeeding packaged food from 4 months, or baby led weaning homecooked food from 6 months? etc)

ourglass · 02/03/2015 13:44

Weird thread.

RedToothBrush · 02/03/2015 13:58

Thereisnoplacelikehome Mon 02-Mar-15 12:10:18
I've told him expressing messes up your supply especially in the early days. I've told him it's about supply and demand and it's very clever. I've also told him expressing enough for one feed takes a long time. He just looks at me like I'm crazy. He refuses to read up on it.

Hmm, I've expressed from day 4 until 4 months when DS finally got it. No formula. It is possible, but very difficult and not something I would recommend unless you have a problem. Its stressful and time consuming. I relied on DH being supportive and doing more so I could do it. Its not just about giving the baby a bottle in the middle of the night. Its about, hours and hours of doing housework and holding the baby whilst I express.

It does have some benefits - you don't have to feed in public, and DH does get some time to feed with DS and bond with him too to a degree. But even then I can't see why you wouldn't breastfeed if you could given the pitfalls. It doesn't make sense, in terms of time, effort, money or health. Especially since there is virtually no support out there for it, and you have to rip up the rule book to do it.

His argument is that science is better than nature. Which isn't true. Not for breastfeeding. And in general, not for most things. Evolution is incredibly clever for example...

I do think there is something to be said for engaging men in how you feed the baby to a degree. If a woman is obsessed with breastfeeding to the detriment of the child or herself, then I do think a partner really does have the right to say something. This could be for physical or mental health reasons. But I think that cases like this are very limited indeed.

I also think that its not down to the fact that its a woman's body either and ownership of her breasts. Its down to who is the primary care giver and who will be looking after the baby most. If she takes maternity leave and takes on that roll, then its effectively her job and she manages that. She needs to makes the day to day decisions about the everyday tasks within that roll. Why would you work in a more inefficient way when you have limited time and resources and a faster more effective method is available? It doesn't make economic or business sense does it?

Would he be happy if you told him what to cook, how to cook and he had to cook for you in a particular way? Would he be happy if you told him how to do his day to day job?

Put things into terms that suit your argument in a way he understands.

But to be honest that's all beside the point anyway. You'll stay with him, but he is an utter cock. Its not about what's best for the baby and you. This is about what is best for him and that's ultimately selfish. And he is refusing to put your needs and your baby's needs ahead of his own misguided and ill educated nonsense.

And that's what you need to get into your head the most.

Casimir · 02/03/2015 15:09

He's afraid if he sees you feeding he won't be able to enjoy your beautiful boobs anymore