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To say no actually she can't come!

246 replies

Everythingwillbeok · 06/02/2015 14:03

My DD is lucky enough to live on a nice little street with two other girls of the same age who are also in her class.

Nice she has friends to play with at weekends ect.But for the last 3/4 months ect is been so hard not upsetting any of the girls or their mums. I'm getting a bit tired of always making sure nobody is left out.

In December I took one of the girls lets call her Olivia to the cinema to watch Paddington along with my DD.It was a bit of a treat and the other girl,lets call her Fern was going to see it that afternoon anyway with her cousin. So I offered to take Olivia as I knew she'd be on her own all day as her own mum doesn't do anything with them at weekends.( not meaning to sound like a cow) but by her own admission can't be arsed taking her kids anywhere as she'd rather chill in her PJs.

All good only Fern saw us leave and came running out saying are you playing out? Er no we are on our way out sorry love but they'll be around later. Ok she said and ran back home.

That night I got a text saying hope you enjoyed the film I thought I was really good pity we couldn't have all gone together as Fern was upset she only had her cousin for company.I replied oh right well I knew you'd made plans and I didn't want to interfere.

About 3 times since then my DD has called for each of them and been told they've gone to McDonalds/ the park/ to walk the dog together so she's come back home and I've said nevermind we were out when they left or perhaps they wanted to go alone. She hasn't batted an eyelid as sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Olivia goes to her dads every Sunday at 12:30 without fail. DP said last night seeing as its so dry and sunny lets take DD to the farm on Sunday we can get some eggs and she can see the animals ect, then go for a drink at the pub on the way back.

So I said DD could pick a friend .Olivia's at her dads on Sunday so she won't be on her own she'll have something to do so ill ask Fern if she's free.

Ok yeah fine. So it's arranged but I've had a text off Olivia's mum half an hour ago saying just picked Olivia up from school to go dentist and she's in the car crying as your DD and Fern were talking about going out on Sunday and she's overheard, she's kicking off in the car saying she's not going to her dads and I can't force her to go so would you mind if she tags along with you?

I'm gobsmacked...I feel like I can't say no but why is there constant pandering? I'd say no sorry love can't let your dad down its the only dad he sees you. We can go there next week.

There's room in the car but it's the expense of taking another one and also the fact she's not really been invited.

Sorry it's long didn't want to drip feed.

They are 9 by the way not toddlers.

Just feel a bit resentful we can never just go out without considering what these other two are up to and if we are going to offend anyone.

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Everythingwillbeok · 06/02/2015 16:41

mamaslatts that's actually really good.

It's saying not on your nelly without saying not on your nelly.

And tbh I don't want to take her. I know her dad and he'll be gutted.

Think it stinks why not just say no Olivia you see your dad that day.

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Everythingwillbeok · 06/02/2015 16:45

And neither of them have ever took my DD anywhere either thinking about it. Mmm

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TaliZorahVasNormandy · 06/02/2015 16:48

You did say you dont have room in the car, so stick to that.

MummyBeerest · 06/02/2015 16:48

Wow.

Yanbu.

I'd text back, explain that dd is allowed one friend, and knew Olivia's going to see her dad. There's no need for anyone especially people 9 years and over to get upset.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 06/02/2015 16:49

Actually, no, Mum might offer to drop her off.

HollyJollyDillydolly · 06/02/2015 16:52

Very cheeky of her mum to ask. Children need to learn they might not get included in friends plans sometimes.

Sorry. That wont be possible this time.
Should suffice?

IKnewYou · 06/02/2015 16:53

I'd reply

'Sorry but I've told DD she can only take one friend to the farm and as we took Fern to the cinema last week she thought it would be nice to take Olivia this time'.

I'd offer no further explanation. I agree with PPs that three can be tricky with 9 year olds. It would help if the other parents were sensible like the OP is and tell there DDs that you can't always attend everything.

ToffeeCaramel · 06/02/2015 17:05

I was part of a threesome of girls at primary school. It was hideous. One of the girls was the ringleader and she would take it in turns to exclude either me or the other girl and not speak to us. It was such a relief to go our separate ways when we went to high school. If I could go back in time I'd walk away and find a completely different friend and leave the other two to it. I'd suggest your dd leaves the other girls to get on with it and finds someone else to go out with, or else do stuff all together. Surely the mums won't both text you and say that Olivia and fern are upset as your dd is now doing stuff with Mildred!

concretekitten · 06/02/2015 17:10

Olivia's mum sounds like my DH's ex (mother to my 9yo DSD).
It's almost like she's looking for excuses for the kids to not visit during DH's contact time. We'll often get texts the night before they're due to come saying "they're not coming this weekend, they want to do XYZ"

I don't give DS the choice, if something crops up during his dad's contact time I will try and jiggle things around to allow both, if not possible then I tell him "oh sorry you're at your dad's that day, hopefully next time"

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 06/02/2015 17:12

YANBU Olivia's mum sounds terrible. Perhaps suggest she takes all three girls out herself next weekend. Ok, don't, just send the "No, sorry" text. You've been very fair and thoughtful in your approach, Olivia's mum needs to deal with Olivia's tantrum herself, without palming her off on to you and rearranging contact with Dad on child's whim - totally unfair.

concretekitten · 06/02/2015 17:12

toffeecaramel's suggestion is a good one, definitely encourage a friendship with Mildred x

OutragedFromLeeds · 06/02/2015 17:13

Groups of three are tricky.

Is there any chance that your DD/Fern have been winding Olivia up about it? Maybe rubbing it in that she's being left out etc.? That's what it sounds like from Olivia's mums text. I think planning a day out in advance is different to your DD calling for someone and finding they're out walking the dog tbh.

YANBU, but maybe unwise to keep creating the situation where one of the three is left out? Invite both or neither, your DD must have other friends she could invite if she needs company on the weekend.

MomOfTwoGirls2 · 06/02/2015 17:24

I'd also reply as IKnewYou proposes above.

And after this event, I'd wait for quite some time before inviting either of them again. Maybe I'd even wait to see if either of the other families organise something with your DD first...

SuburbanRhonda · 06/02/2015 17:25

iknewyou's reply is honest, but it rather implies that the OP is happy to organise trips out forevermore, taking first one friend, then the next.

In these situations, I normally recommend a book designed to help children build resilience and self-esteem so they can deal with life's ups and downs. In this case, however, it seems like it's the parents who need it.

Please buy the parents each a copy of this book - it should help them manage their disappointment when their children are not included in everything.

thegreylady · 06/02/2015 17:31

Can you invite both mums round for coffee. Then list all the occasions when two have done something without the third. Emphasise the times your dd was left out. Then suggest an everyone or no one strategy and suggest that if the outing costs money you each pay for your own dd. I would also suggest a quick phone call if it is necessary to leave one child out so the parent is prepared.

pluCaChange · 06/02/2015 17:31

The girls are only behaving this way, and taking offence, because their bloody parents are encouraging them to see things this way. If the parents push you again, push back very firmly, telling them they're doing their DDs no favours in this way, and in fact you are afraid the girl(s) will learn to alienate potential friends.

This is an appalling way to bring up children! Are they totally incompetent at "distraction" techniques, or do they want their DDs to cry? Confused

mamaslatts · 06/02/2015 17:34

Yep, sounds far more like 'free childcare piss takers' than any notion about anyone being left out...

AND your expected to pay when they invite themselves along?? Would just stick to 'playing out' with these two rather than organised trips. BOTH lots of parents seem like users.

GokTwo · 06/02/2015 17:42

I am amazed at this mum's nerve! Please don't agree to it because if you do it's sort of setting a precedent and saying the three always have to do everything together which, IMHO is ridiculous! I'd say

"Sorry Olivia's kicking off, that's tricky for you. I really don't think it's sensible for the 3 girls to have to do everything together. We took Olivia to the cinema last time so thought, since she would be her dad it would be nice to take Fern. Both Fern and Olivia often do things without Dd and I never let DF get worked up about it. We can get them altogether again very soon"

GokTwo · 06/02/2015 17:42

That should be dd not DF.

StrangeGlue · 06/02/2015 17:53

With that much front you need to be very straight with her. If you blame car size/turn taking etc the mum will find a work around for you. Someone just thread suggested saying you've said dd can take one friend this time it's x last time it was y. If she gets in a huff and stops speaking to you then all the better.

WitchWay · 06/02/2015 18:00

Staggered at the cheek of the mother Shock

Say no

Think of the poor dad

Don't let her manipulate things

WyrdByrd · 06/02/2015 18:29

Trios of girls are just a bloody nightmare. My DD is 10.5 and given up now - she has a best girl friend outside of school & a trio of boy friends in her class Grin .

I'd do whatever you feel is easiest this weekend, although I agree with the 'Olivia came last time...' reply tbh, and I would probably start encouraging DD to make some new friends that are less hard work.

icelollycraving · 06/02/2015 18:45

I love these threads Blush

Everythingwillbeok · 06/02/2015 23:26

Thanks for all your replies and advice.

I've finally text back at half nine saying sorry we presumed she would be at her dads so have said we will pick my other DD up from her boyfriends on our way home. So ther won't be room in the car.

This is not strictly true but she could well ask for a lift last minute so at least there's room in the car if she does.

She's not replied.

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IKnewYou · 06/02/2015 23:31

Sounds like a good text.