AIBU to want to go boo hoo hahaha when men say they feel excluded by the the term "feminist"

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Just wondering if anyone else thinks like me...Go.

ApocalypseThen we want the same as you and go about it in a similar way. That quote that pumpkinpositive gave shows how much discrimination men face. We're assumed to be a threat to women because a small number of men are violent to women, therefore every man is a potential threat.

MrsTawdry you have missed the point.

burke men face hardly any discrimination. So you have some women who are afraid of you? Well...tough tits. If we'd not been raped, oppressed, murdered and beaten by some of your fellow men then that fear would not be present.

We on the other hand face discrimination daily in all ways. You get to walk down the street without being treated like a sex object, you get to take jobs without your sex being considered and you get to start wars and rule countries.

So take your fucking self pity elsewhere.

Double no I haven't.

MrsTawdry I agree with you. Very few women want to be treated better instead of equal, and there's not a lot of men who want better rather than equal treatment. Thankfully these kind of people are finding themselves in a smaller and smaller minority. There will always be a few from both genders that feel they should get preferential treatment unfortunately :(

ApocalypseThen we want the same as you and go about it in a similar way.

So you can't point to anything specific. Fair enough. It must be hard to battle against a lack of representation in law, politics, business and policing as well as the routine disrespect for men's voices in the public sphere, issues women aren't familiar with, so good luck.

Feminism is automatically excluding men purely on the basis of the name itself. There is nothing indicative of men in it And it is obviously purely for the benefit of women with no thpught abput men. Also that quote is absolute idiocy and shows more about women than it does about men. Men are afraid that women will laugh at them = reasonable self consciousness. Women are afraid men will kill them = sexist because it shows they see men as monsters and not people. I doubt they fear there father or brother would kill them. They just buy into all men are violent myths even though a lot of studies show that women are as violent as men. There is no difference between genders except that women get away with it because they are percieved to be victims and men have been groomed their whole lives to bow to women as delicate beings that need to be protected. They then grow up to be told that seeing women as delicate is sexist.

Right. Well you missed the point that I was making, although you may have responded to some other point not made by me. If you're going to do that in future please don't attribute points to me that I haven't made.

They are usually the same men who say 'domestic violence affects men too, why aren't you feminists doing something about that?'

To which my reply is, 'tell you what, why don't you do something about that, I'll do something about DV against women and then by working together we can change the world. Oh no, sorry, you've got porn to watch/industry to captain/hobbies to pursue at the detriment to your family life? Mibbies next week then.'

MrsTawdry I don't think you're right but could I please ask for clarification on something. Have you ever been in a situation similar to where you're walking home at night in a quiet area and you notice someone a short distance behind you walking in the same direction?

If yes then did you experience worry or concern that they might have bad intentions even though there wasn't actually any evidence to say they did and they might just be walking home in the direction of their house?

There is nothing indicative of men in it And it is obviously purely for the benefit of women with no thpught abput men.

Welcome to how society has treated women for the last two thousand years at the very least.

"I doubt they fear there father or brother would kill them."

ya think?

There is nothing indicative of men in it And it is obviously purely for the benefit of women with no thpught abput men.

The real problem. Women failing to look after men and put their concerns first.

"women are afraid that men will kill them"

Only 17% of people who commit homicides in the US are women.

According to the most recent statistics, for homicides in which the victim-killer relationship was known, 31 percent of female victims were killed by an intimate partner. Only 4 percent of male victims were killed by an intimate partner.

Yup, sounds like a myth to me. That's right, not based on fact or personal experience of multiple instances of unpleasant and violent behaviour of many men over the course of a lifetime of a typical female. And I speak as a female living in one of the more progressive countries wrt legal equality.

Women worldwide have far more reason to be afraid.

Posted too soon to make my point. Sorry, have headache and quite honestly can't be bothered to educate people today if they can't be arsed to research.

Feminism is fine as a term. I do get fed up with justifying my beliefs day after day. There's a choice for women. Put up with demeaning second-class citizen treatment on a daily and ongoing basis (the path of least resistance, chosen by many), or spend your life in self-justification and conflict.

I live in hope for the third option.

Im more boo hoo about the women who post "I don't believe in feminism, I believe in egalitarianism" and the facebook postings supporting ched evans, dapper laughs, page 3 etc

women are as violent as men??
dont be daft!

Suzannewithaplan it all depends on which woman and which man. You shouldn't judge what a person might be like based purely on what gender they are. I know non violent men and violent women, but I also know violent men and non violent women. I can't really guess which category a stranger will fall into based on what gender they are. I can only figure that out based on other stuff.

Good idea Burke. If you could just arrange for all the violent rapists to wear labels, we'll get right on with not being scared of violence/rape.

I always figured that men grow up more violent because they are at a much higher risk of being the victim of violent actions....?

Why on earth would I laugh? Why the hell do men have to feel excluded from equality? So women can have some pathetic 'tit for tat' argument of ' well this is how we were treated, boo hoo I'm such a victim of society'.

Men get raped. Men can be victims of domestic abuse. Men can be looked at/touched up inappropriately. Just because it doesn't happen as often as it does to women, does not make it OK. Doesn't not mean that they should understand the blooming feminist agendas point of view.

I don't agree with feminism, I don't think it's a great concept as a whole. Much like religion, I can see the basic principle is for good, but look deeper and it's flawed beyond belief. I believe in equality - no that's not perfect either, but that's what I strive for. People will reply that feminism and equality are the same thing, but no - not to me it's not and never will be.

I don't agree with feminism, I don't think it's a great concept as a whole.

What is bad about the concept of women being equal to men? ooh no, far better that we stay as we are, with an endemic rape culture and women being denied opportunities based on their genitalia.

Men get raped, men can be victims of domestic abuse, men can be looked at and touched inappropriately. No-one is suggesting this is false, or that it's ok. But why is it our responsibility to fix it, when most men do very little to try and fix the inequality we face?

This is the problem with the "boo hoo we're excluded by feminism". Because they're expecting us to fix their problems, but doing very little to help the feminist cause in return.

ApocalypseThen we want the same as you

You don't really want the same as us. Not really.

You don't really want to experience life where 90% of the world's wealth is owned by women, and approx 80% of the top jobs in government, law, Boardrooms and so on are held by women.

You don't really want to be paid less just because you're a man, do you? You don't really want to be treated like sex object, and be bombarded with media images of semi naked men alongside pictures of powerful women in suits and playing sport. And I'm sure you don't want to be over-represented in rape and dv victim statistics, as women are. Do you?

When people look past how much men/women earn and look at why they have chosen those jobs they see that women earn less through choice because they do not want to work those hours/that career. Many employers do not care if they hire male or female they only care about the ability to work. The employers that do care about gender are the same ones that exclude men for nursing/childcare on the basis of their gender. The wage gap is not true as it is choice.

When I look at the struggles of black people across history and see them get annoyed at the old "Some of my best friends are black" I understand their anger. Men saying that on the one hand they agree that women should be equal ...they love women...and women are great...and then on the other that THEY are victims of oppression due to us not putting up with sexism any longer is laughable.