AIBU to want to go boo hoo hahaha when men say they feel excluded by the the term "feminist"

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Just wondering if anyone else thinks like me...Go.

It doesn't matter what it's called. You can still be charged with sexual assault and go to prison for it. It's not like they would just get away with it just on the basis of it not legally been called a rape.

Thats to blistory by the way. Tried to answer you sorry if i rambled.

RufusTheReindeer I think he did just read the headline. Because I'm struggling to see exactly where in that article it says it was the woman who raped her.

Would you care to point out exactly what makes you think it was the woman who raped her Burke? Or are we right in saying you just read the headline?

RufusTheReindeer I'm not trained in law so couldn't offer a professional opinion on how that judgement came about but it would appear to be because she took a part in the rape, even though she was just an "enforcer" of sorts.

What did you think of the second article where the woman was convicted of performing oral sex on him while he was asleep, without having his consent?

These two articles were to show why I disagreed with the statement that all rapists are men. While indeed most rapists are men there are some rare cases where a female rapes a man. Unfortunately in our country the law can't actually prosecute them for rape so it has to make do with sexual assault. I don't think that "sexual assault" is an appropriate prosecution for someone who has basically raped another human being.

Ah, so Burke's been furiously googling, found a couple of articles (only 1 of which is in the UK). Well done.

In the UK, rape can only be committed by penetration by the penis. On extremely rare occasions, a woman will be charged with the crime of rape, but it will actually be in the aiding and abetting of the rapist - usually pinning her down. You'll struggle to find more than a handful of cases of this though.

Nobody is denying that women can commit sexual assault - but really - 97-98% of sexual convictions are against men, so I'm not sure why anyone would bother to deny it is gendered.

ThereIsACarInTheKitchen I agree with the conviction for rape because she did take part in the rape, even though it was (compared to the others) a minor role. If someone held you down while another person raped you, I'd expect both to go to jail for rape.

Depends on what they are actually saying robin. They might be protecting themselves (see schrodinger's rapist analogy). They might be talking about statistics relating to rape and other violence which is predominantly carried out by men. The people your teenage son should be upset by are those men who are perpetuating violence against women (and other men). They are the reason why women might cross the street to avoid him if they don't know him and are alone

SabrinaMulhollandJjones the second link is one where the woman actually committed the rape. Not an "aiding and abetting" role at all. You can call it sexual assault, as the law does, but any human being who has sex with another without their consent is a rapist, and I will not apologize for saying that, nor will I change from that view.

And I don't know any feminists who think that violence is innate in men anyway. Most believe men can control their behaviour far more than rape apologists believe they can - and feminists expect better from them

The first case you linked to Burke the woman was convicted on an accessory basis, she assisted in the gang rape of another woman but the conviction was not based on penetration by her.

The second case was from Norway.

In the UK, the law correctly states that only men can be convicted of rape as it requires penetration by a penis. A man might be raped by a man but not by a woman. This is not an oddity.

But what do you say to your teenage son who feels unfairly judged by some feminists?

Get a grip.

Acquired I was sexually abused as a child and I was then later raped by someone else as an adult. I have also been in a relationship with someone who was controlling and abusive.

I have been leered at by groups of people, had people following me, intimidating me, had people stick their hands down my top or up my skirt and when I told them to stop they then had a go at me for apparently leading them on or accused me of being "frigid".

In all of those incidents every single one of them was a man.

Good for you if you've only ever met one man who has caused harm. You are very lucky.

burke

In the case of the 2nd article I think I would agree that it's sexual assault

I don't believe that the first one is rape either

The second case is in Norway - I have no idea how their legal system works - in the Uk it would be classed as sexual assault.

I then refer you to the final paragraph of my last post regarding women and sexual assault.

I'm not really willing to engage in an argument about whether or not women can be rapists.

There are bad people who do bad things of all genders.

The overwhelming majority of violence towards women is done by men.

These two things are both true and the first does not detract from the second.

Thereisacar i am very sorry for everything you have been through. I hope for your sake that that is your allotment of crap finished with and there are only good things for you now.
I also think i am retiring from this thread so i bid you all adieu.

Burke have you even read the article? Because I can't find anywhere where it says the 18-year-old woman forced the other woman to have sex with her. Nor can I find anywhere where it says the 18-year-old held the woman down while she was raped.

All it says is that she punched the woman and ripped her top off. The two teenage boys then raped her whilst she cheered on from the side.

Burke was clutching at straws - desperate to make his (non)point that women can be rapists too.

Agreed sabrina and there

Although I imagine he is still googling...

In the spirit of the opening post, I can't find myself getting worked up about Burke finding some pretty poor examples of women who commit sexual assault.

It simply proves the point that it matters not one iota if men feel excluded from feminism. No one's asking them to get involved, just to not be the dicks that support the rape, assault, killing and discrimination of women. And not to be the vile human beings who carry out those activities.

Does it vindicate all men who rape and assault if feminism accepts that some women do wrong ? Does it take any degree of critical thinking to realise that feminists aren't standing outside the courts demanding that all women be found innocent of all crimes ?

What do you want ? Do you want feminists to say that some women are cunts ? Does it boil your piss so much that women are supportive of each other and generally won't do that ? Does it really damage your male ego so much to realise that you are of a class that damages women ?

Anyone who is offended by 'not all men rape but all rapists are men' needs to get their privileged head out of their privileged arse and realise that the real offence is the harm done to women worldwide by men on a daily basis.

Weird that he has to google. I can think dozens of male rapists practically off the top of my head. It's almost like women raping is almost nonexistent.

Anyone who is offended by 'not all men rape but all rapists are men' needs to get their privileged head out of their privileged arse and realise that the real offence is the harm done to women worldwide by men on a daily basis.

Indeed. Well put.

I think a man who googles "women convicted of rape" and posts links to a woman who was charged with rape (but actually ripped the woman's blouse off and cheered the male rapists on) and a woman from Norway convicted of oral rape in 2005, has serious issues tbh.

To post this, in the face of an estimated 85,000 rapes per year, committed by men, in the UK alone, is beyond belief.

Am just wondering has any man really said " I feel excluded by feminism"..or has any woman actually heard any man saying this.
And IF this has happened, is it of such a numerical importance to attract any attention?
obv without RTFT....

and of course the OP hasn't provided any example of this actually happening. Just making a suggestion, then saying "go..". Almost as if it's a wind-up..and lots of posters do "go".

Am just wondering has any man really said " I feel excluded by feminism"..or has any woman actually heard any man saying this.

Not using those exact words, no, but I have heard men say they disagree with feminism because it focusses on equal rights for women...