AIBU to want to go boo hoo hahaha when men say they feel excluded by the the term "feminist"

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Just wondering if anyone else thinks like me...Go.

Burke perhaps you might like to comment on why men are statistically more likely to assault / rape women than women are to assault men or other women?

when a man abuses a woman people always intervene
absolute balderdash

of course women can be dangerous, but the various crime statistics etc show that the vast majority of violence is perpetrated by men

when a man abuses a woman people always intervene
completely untrue

What the hell, I'll reply to your reply to me in detail Burke.

I know that my individual opinion doesn't change the stance of society but what is it that you expect me to do in that regard?

Have some fucking empathy with women, maybe? Instead of saying we’re all wrong and stupid because you, Burke1, would not rape a woman.

You said "everyone here understands that not all men are rapists" but recently someone said that "rapists are men".

Yes? And?

You have mentioned valid concerns with our society and I'm as keen as you are that they are addressed. On your final point I'll have to say respectfully disagree because I see no valid reason in being cautious of an entire gender because of some of the crimes people of that gender commit.

Then you’ve missed my point.

It would be like me treating all women as potential killers because of all the women in history who have murdered people.

No, it wouldn’t be. Ok, how about this. It would be like you treating all women as potential murderers because other women had murdered if:

1. women had a long track record of escaping prison for murder because they are female
2. if the police were infamous for reporting the murders of men by women incorrectly in favour of the woman
3. if society had a strong undercurrent of feeling that if you are murdered it is your own fault for provoking it.

Google domestic violence social experiments and you will see that when a man abuses a woman people always intervene

Oh my god, so much stupid. Why can't the MRAs just stay the fuck off MN?

when a man abuses a woman people always intervene

Is that so? I would suggest you vary your reading/research beyond the men's rights websites.

The experiment I presume you are referring to (on the ManKind site) has been shown to be selectively cut/edited to make a point.

Always intervene in public, walking down a busy road and they are pushing. Calling names. Even slapping aroind the head. In those instances in the spcial experiments people always intervened when women were the victim but never when men were. I was speaking about in the context of those videos. I have seen social experiment videos where no one has intervened for the female victim. However the fact is no one helps men. They are ridiculed. Women can be very aggressive so bythe same logic of be wary of men because some can rape men men also have the right to be wary of women for their aggression. No one on this thread seems to want to admit that women can be aggressive to men.

It would be like me treating all women as potential killers because of all the women in history who have murdered people.

No, It would be like you totally not understanding statistics.

90, I said 90 there..not 9... 90 % of murder is committed by men.

There was a very viral video recently that was debunked as being shot over a day and very obviously edited to look like men were ignored. Was that the one you were referring to? Because that's not "always" or "never" and it's certainly nothing like actual facts.

to quote FuckOffGroundhog (as I can't put it any better myself) OMG so much stupid ....!

"I have lurked, i have read and tried to learn"

Go back to lurking and reading them, because you haven't learnt anything

I guessed they were selectively cut to make a point. It is a valid point to make. Why shouldnt i look at mens rights? Its ok to look at womens rights but not mens?
Why should I stay off mums net? I have as much right to be here as you do!

What

Around 90% of convictions for all violent crimes are men, Acquired.

Women's aggression does not kill 2 men a week - men's aggression does.

Seriously, stay off the MRA websites - they're no good for you.

No one on this thread seems to want to admit that women can be aggressive to men.

I haven't seen anyone deny that women can be aggressive to men, and indeed to other women.

What I have seen is people repeating the fact - yes, it's a FACT - that men are statistically far more likely to be aggressive, abusive towards and rape women, than the other way around. And there are several of you on this thread who are totally unwilling to accept that.

Why shouldnt i look at mens rights?

Because the websites are full of lies and vitriol against women, that's why.

They perpetuate false figures like 40% of victims of dv are men, 33% of rape accusations are false, and so on.

The problem is acquired your sounding like a US land owner complaining about your working hours in the slavery years of 1800's

Sabrina why exactly are they no good? The one i look at has links to newspapers. I think even the telegraph was linked (cant remember for sure so could be wrong) i am pretty sure the telegraph is a good news source.

Oh lordy - which one have you been looking at Acquired?

BD77 that has gone completely over my head. I read and cant understand. Sorry been a long day can you clarify pls?

And again....

Where the 'women can be violent too' argument fails completely is that nobody is saying women can't be violent. I would argue with anyone who said that.

What we are saying, which is true, is that violence towards women is OVERWHELMINGLY more likely to be committed by men.

It is not about specific incidents. It is about the way things are overall. And to argue with that using specifics misses the point entirely, and makes you look as though you're incapable of understanding, or wilfully missing the point because you're a dick. It's one of the two. Which is it for you?

Sabrina real sexism on facebook. It came up on my news feed and intrigued me.

Acquired I think what BD means is that you sound like a rich, privileged man complaining about working 6 or 7 hours a day for a good amount of pay, when disadvantaged slaves were working 12+ hours for little or no pay and no right of complaint.

Correct me if I'm wrong, btw, but that's definitely how I read it and I thought it was very accurate and well-put.

AcquiredTaste

you need to read up more on domestic violence

people certainly do not always intervene when woman are being attacked by a man. more people will not call the police than what they did ten years ago if they witness dv or hear it but it certainly does not happen all the time

and no one has denied that men are not victims of violence

surely violence against men is overwhelmingly committed by men too?

JFC they're out early today and it's not even wine time. I don't know whether I'm more about the tears or the stupid.

"Poor me, women are afraid of me. How dare they! Don't they know men's feelings are the most important thing?"

"Boo hoo, it's not true that men as a class are violent and oppressive towards women as a class because a woman hit a man on a film and nobody cared."

I feel this may be a long evening.