to think britain is a difficult place to be if you're muslim ( part 2 )

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The attack on Charlie Hebdo.
Shall we have 3 guesses who's responsible?

One of the dead cartoonish had said 'I'd prefer to die standing than live on my knees....I live under French law, not Koranic law".

Good of him. If they cut us down more grow, many many more. Freedom of speech will not be defeated no matter how many of us they kill.

Mumsnet seem to have just removed the ability to upload any pictures.

Co-incidence or capitulation ?

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MistressMia

You're only allowed to post 6 a day. Same as everybody. You have used your quota - (wisely).

I like this one

Thereyouarepeter Thanks for clearing that up.

For the record I would never have posted the 'offending' cartoons due to genuine concerns for others safety.

I know there are calls for the whole European press to publish them but I really don't think that it wise. There really is no need for anyone to die in order to defeat this ideology.

Islam has enough absurdity and ludicrosity in its own written words to show that it is nothing but a hodge podge of the ramblings of a deranged mad man.

I'm still waiting for one of the moderate muslims to tell me why there is no compulsion in religion but yet simultaneously I should be killed for leaving the 'faith'. At least the extremists are consistent !

Although not as much as I like this one...

You know what I'd love to see? A million man march in all the major cities where everyone carries a placard of a cartoon taking the piss out of any religion of their choosing.

That is giving in to the oppressors. We are sick and tired of pussy footing around in the face of violent threats for those who seek to censor us.

To be fair Life of Brian (which by some was regarded as offensive to Christians) should be mentioned too and was thankfully eventually allowed to be shown in the UK en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian

As for being killed for giving up the faith about 9 muslim nations have that as the penalty. We had all this in the West in about 1500 so they certainly do not have a monopoly of illberal ridiculous rules. Islam is just a few hundred years behind the rest of us.

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone replaced their national flags with these cartoons or put the besides them for a whole day.

Isn't it slightly itonic that islam as one of the newest religions is also the most arcaic?

I don't want to nuke the middle east in retaliation or anything of the sort, but I can see it going something like this:

"We don't want to make it worse so be sure not to say anything bad about Islam"

"Let's be sure not to print anything in the media like cartoons for a while to let it all cool down"

"Maybe we should issue a public apology to Muslims everywhere for the inconvenience"

"And let's downplay the deaths of those people because it will only make trouble if we make a fuss about it"

The deaths are very important indeed and ought to mark a sea change in the West in always fighting to allow publication free from censorship whether that be the Bible and Koran wanting death for homosexuals or others of us saying there is no God and the like as well of course as our right to mock North Korea and indeed ourselves.

Paris 2015 - when we finally decided to stand up for free speech.

www.lemondejuif.info/2015/01/attaque-contre-charlie-hebdoliban-les-palestiniens-fetent-massacre/

Palestinians celebrate french massacre

This is worth reading

www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/01/07/cartoonists-react-to-charlie-hebdo-massacre-in-paris/

Cartoons in response to today's killings.

This is especially painful for me. I will have to name change after this as there will be too much identifying material, but here goes. I live about 100 metres from where this happened. My son was on his way back to school from a trip to the cinema and heard one of the shots. I went to the manif at République for a while. There are police and media everywhere.
One of my friends nearly walked straight into it.

I am becoming an intolerant thing. I want no part of this religion, which entirely justifies, as per the quotes given by Mistress Mia, this kind of thing.
And no, the fucking niqab isn't fucking banned here, but is in public buildings, so in quite a few places. I'm just fine with the ban - it is dehumanising, and not even a religious requiement, just a piece of tribal oppression (niqab, not hijab, hijab is fine).
I feel ill.

Flower, you're probably not going to find an impartial piece about this in Le Monde Juif. That article is very much using this to push its own agenda re: Palestine, which is pretty immoral given the severity of what's happened.

GimliMinge I am sorry you and especially your son had to witness such a terrible thing. I hope he is not traumatised.

With each new atrocity more and more people are feeling like you.

I do see a change occurring in attitudes towards Islam and I really think that in the end rationalism and reason will win, with muslims abandoning the 'faith'.

Its a quiet revolution, but many in the Islamic world are beginning to question Islam too. Due to fear of physical harm to them though, they aren't public with their views. Online however there are increasing numbers of blogs, websites and twitter and Facebook pages from former muslims www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/opinion/sunday/thomas-l-friedman-how-isis-drives-muslims-from-islam.html?_r=0

Every atrocity is another nail in the coffin for Islam. It's most ardent adherents are just too stupid to realise that.

I'm glad some newspapers are printing the cartoons. I have a suggestion to settle the censorship issue. I propose that we put one of the cartoons on every public building in the western world for a year.

Until they get over it or until we run out of people who want to earn their place in paradise.

If it's everywhere then no one place is more a target than anywhere else.

I'll give the same answer as I did on the other thread. -No.

I take it the OP wasn't happy with the 999th and 1000th posts on it.

For all those always conflating other religions bad bits with Islam, Richard Dawkins succinctly sums it up:

No, all religions are NOT equally violent. Some have never been violent, some gave it up centuries ago. One religion conspicuously didn’t.

twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/552844234689372160

The last thread ended with the lovely comment that the UK is actually a pretty tolerant country for people of different views

It did. for Bisgetti

To be honest, I don't like some of the cartoons. Many of them remind me of 1930's style German propaganda cartoons of a hook- nosed Jew holding a Magen David over a globe. That some Jewish people support cartoons depicting Muslims in such a manner disgusts me.

That doesn't take away from the barbarity of this act and that those who have allegedly committed it are motivated not by the injustice of being portrayed unfairly (not that it would make actions like these right at all) but by the thoughts of avenging a man who died 1300 years ago.

Really stuck between a rock and a hard place ... don't like religious extremism but not willing to be a Nazi for the powers that be that emcouraged the creation of this whole big mess (world wars, mass immigration, huge economic inequalities). Nazis would shoot me on sight.

People should remember that the Blasphemy laws are there for a good reason.
They prevent you from taking the mick out of a supremely powerful, all knowing, never wrong guy with supernatural powers.

he needs the help