to think britain is a difficult place to be if you're muslim ( part 2 )

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The attack on Charlie Hebdo.
Shall we have 3 guesses who's responsible?

Good point, ghostland.

It's always seemed to me that those who say multiculturalism is so wonderful tend to be happy with other countries being 100% Islamic.

In my experience, the elites from many Islamic countries know and like how we live in the West. They just don't want the masses to get uppity and disrupt the status quo.

My son's muslim friend said yesterday Paris was staged. My son asked what he meant. He said it was for financial reasons. None of that makes much sense but it does show a muslim teenage boy's views. if he has that view how many others do?

That is worrying, but not too surprising. The only way to defend the indefensible is to claim it didn't happen.

It's not about trumping beliefs. They are both free to carry out their beliefs. One with circumcision and kosher/halal slaughter, the other by protesting/petitioning, etc

It is though. I believe Halal slaughter is very wrong but I don't remember being consulted about whether I wanted the meat sold unlabelled in supermarkets, or in fast food outlets, or in my son's school lunch. It was just done by stealth because of course we are 'tolerant' doormats aren't we.

I agree Pixel. We are too tolerant.

Pixel

Red herring.

That is the choice the companies made, most likely related to profits.

Muslims do not eat unlabelled meat, because they do not know if it is halal or not.

ghostland Perhaps we should encourage Muslim countries to embrace multiculturalism and let people of different ethnicities and faiths come and live in their countries and practice their cultures and religions?

Some do.

flowerfairy is that in the UK? How old was the boy saying this. As that is disturbing if adults are putting that in kids heads

Part of the problem is that media prefer to report bad news. Today in Nottingham local moslems gave away 2,000 roses as a sign of good will which they have done before on a weekend near Mohammed's birthday. I don't think that's been reported nationally.

to be fair conference the slaughter in Paris is a slightly bigger news story than some people giving away flowers

adsy It is not just that 1 story. Muslims committing crime makes for a good news day. Muslims who speak out against it or are doing positive things, doesn't. 1 sided coverage like that causes skewed views.

But it isn't news that someone has acted like a normal decent person. papers aren't going to fill their pages with tales of teens being surprisingly helpful to little old ladies.
To highlight muslims as doing good things would surely imply that a muslim being kind is unusual and therefore newsworthy?

It doesn't have to 'fill the pages' There are lots of good news stories out there.

Pixel if you are THAT bothered maybe go veggie

no slaughter is nice - also you seem only to focus on Halal (which is over 90% stunned) as opposed to Kosher (which is 100% not)

Maybe the 2,000 flowers should represent the 2,000 Nigerian women and children that have just been slaughtered by Islamists from Boko Haram?

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria#img-1

Ghostylovessheep, the difference is that most meat is now automatically halal whereas most meat is not automatically kosher. You can choose not to buy kosher meat but many do not have much choice not to buy halal and many schools now automatically have halal meat, so if the parents want their child to eat meat, they have not choice but to have halal meat.

Pixel if you are THAT bothered maybe go veggie

Well that would equally apply to a Muslim insisting that halal meat must be served, but would you say it in that case?

conference Thank you for sharing that story about the 2,000 roses in Nottingham. Such stories deserve to be printed, obviously not on page 1.

Sadly, bad news is almost inevitably what is reported on any topic, because it tends to be of the most immediate importance.

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Well that would equally apply to a Muslim insisting that halal meat must be served, but would you say it in that case?

I would. If I go out with the DC and somewhere doesn't serve Halal meat for them then they don't eat meat.

A lot of places use Halal slaughted meat (which is pre-stunned in the vast majority of cases according to the RSPCA) because it allows them to sell parts of the animal that would have otherwise been discarded e.g. sheep's head and feet. If they can sell parts that would have otherwise been waste then it helps keep the overall price of the meat down because they sell more of the carcass. Its not political correctness, its profit margins.

yes Muslims would eat veggie rather than none Halal meat

but making all meat halal allows choice for all

*except people who think stunning an animal and slitting it's throat is worse than stunning an animal and killing it another way

Just to clarify, ghostyslovesheep was saying if there's only halal then tough - go without. So would you be ok with ghostyslovesheep saying to you 'if there's no halal then tough - go without'?

Are you saying that if an animal is killed first you can't sell the head and feet etc? I think people were using the heads before we encountered Islam.

If pre-stunned is used nearly everywhere and it is impossible for the animal to wake up while being slaughtered then we could simply make it compulsory then and solve the problem.

I suspect that it doesn't ensure that and that there would be an outcry because some people want the animal struggling as it dies so it would defeat the object.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html

liberal muslim theologian dr taj haragey.

but making all meat halal allows choice for all

What?

Where is my choice to eat meat from an animal that is killed first?

He also quoted recent comments by Dr Taj Harjey, of the Muslim Educational Centre in Oxford, who said halal meat is "covert religious extremism and creeping Islamic fundamentalism making its way into Britain by the back door".

He said: "As a strong believer in freedom of choice, I think one of the fundamental rights of the consumer is to know what they're purchasing

As I just said to ChazsBrilliantAttitude I'm ok with stunned if not going to wake up while you are performing your ritual killing. Can you promise that?