to think britain is a difficult place to be if you're muslim ( part 2 )

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The attack on Charlie Hebdo.
Shall we have 3 guesses who's responsible?

Oh I wasn't thinking of radicalisation. I thought LaChatte meant unusual behaviour this afternoon.

We look for radicalisation here. That's perfectly normal.

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Because they do not believe Thor or Fairies exist. And you are comparing them to something they do believe exists.

As I've said when these phrases are usually used it is often meant in a way to mock.

BigDorrit I never said God was more probable. But some belief structures, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. have endured and thrived, whilst Norse paganism hasn't. And I suspect God offers more to people; comfort, salvation, forgiveness, love, than fairies.

I have an issue with it being limited to Muslim kids. Ask me to be on the look out for any extremist behaviour, fine.

Lemonysnug wtf? Nice generalising

lemony I strongly disagree with my own thread title. I was continuing a previous thread started by someone else which had that title.

Probably a really shitty time to be a Jew in a kosher bakery in Paris right now (4 hostages have apparently been killed).

*but it's muslim kids who are being brainwashed to go to terrorist training camps etc.

username would you be sneering towards me if I said I believed in pink unicorns? Or that I have a fluffy bunny which talks to me?

Username, many atheists find circumcision and halal/kosher slaughter offensive? Do you think Muslims and Jews have the right to offend someone else's sensibilities?

LaChatte I work in a mainly white school (on parental leave but I still get the e-mails) and I had such a message weeks ago.

A bit more difficult being a journalist with a free mind in Saudi, you get 20 whips every Friday for several months.
I think Britain attracts so many Muslims precisly because it is such a tolerant nation that even the extremists are allowed to promote their agenda.

adsy No. I don't sneer. It's unnecessary and not very nice. A lot of people are very different to me. And with that comes the good, the bad and the off the wall. I'm glad we're not all the same.

Do you always sneer at people who believe, feel, think differently to you?

ghostland They're not doing those things to cause offensive and mock. They are integral parts of their belief systems.

I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing.

They're not doing those things to cause offensive and mock. They are integral parts of their belief systems
But I find slicing portions of a baby's genitals off to be very offensive and the fact it's part of a belief system just makes it worse. Young babies being mutilated for the benefit of an imaginary figure.

Muslim countries are mostly a messsss.

Hence they want to come here.

But here is not a mess because we have liberal attitudes.

But they want to come here without liberal attitudes.

So imo shouldn't come here.

Again: They're not doing it to offend you. Your opinion on it probably doesn't mean anything to them. Calling something you know isn't imaginary to them imaginary, is clearly meant to offend.

Well if my opinion on genital mutilation doesn't matter to them, how on earth are they offended that I think their God is imaginary? Surely that opinion also doesn't matter to them?

If my belief system in talking fluffy bunnies also involved me slicing off the nose tips of newborn babies, would you risk offending me by maybe having a word that fluffy talking bunnies aren't real and mutilating babies in the name of them is futile, at best?

Good point adsy.

The behaviour is so normalised that people can't see it for what it is. People so desperately want to be tolerant (which is usually a good thing!) they are prepared to defend the indefensible. In a 100 years male circumcision in this country will be illegal.

La Chatte I think it would be appropriate to pay attention to your pupils' behaviour-in many ways for their own good as well as for the greater good.
Did the school specify only to watch the Muslim pupils? I was thinking that I would be looking out for issues on both sides eg possible community tensions, issues causing distress. How old are they?

But yes I do agree with adsy; it would be naive not to report unusual behaviour suggesting radicalisation amongst young Muslims because, after all, there is clearly a problem . And I think it's quite possible for a sensible person to pay attention without going down the road of "all Muslims are terrorists". We owe it to society to put fear of causing offence aside. Further to that we owe it to these young people - as I said it could be for their own good. Some may find themselves in situations they can't extricate themselves from. Look at the young people who went to Syria and once there found they were in far too deep, for instance.

This site could really do with a face palm emoticon.

how on earth are they offended that I think their God is imaginary?
It's not about your opinion. Most people are aware atheists believe there is no god. As I have said, the manner in which it is said, is to mock and that offends.

No, they may not care that you do not agree with circumcision. But they may be offended to be called 'child abusers' which I have also seen. As that is obviously said to offend.

would you risk offending me by maybe having a word that fluffy talking bunnies aren't real and mutilating babies in the name of them is futile, at best?

If it isn't illegal. Do what you will.

If you feel strongly enough about what the fluffy bunnies are saying to you that you would slice the tip off your newborn. There is hardly anything I can say to make you change your mind.

If I did say something, I would engage you in conversation. Not insult you.

But it doesn't matter whether it is an integral part of a belief system if it is offensive to others. Why should the beliefs of one group trump the beliefs of another? I don't understand your reasoning. For example, animal rights supporters firmly BELIEVE, BELIEVE being the important word, that halal and kosher slaughter is wrong and they are offended by it. Why should the BELIEFS of Muslims or Jews to partake in halal/kosher slaughter trump the BELIEFS of animal rights activists who absolutely and wholeheartedly BELIEVE that it is wrong???

Your opinion on it probably doesn't mean anything to them

Exactly, that's my gripe, they don't give a flying ..... about the British view, attitude or way of life, they want to make money and give a better future to their DCs than they can get in their own corrupt country/ dictatorship/ absolute monarchy. Hence they come here in their droves without any intention to adopt British lifestyles or beliefs.

We're taken for mugs.

And if you were to accuse an animal rights supporter/militant vegan of being flippant/mocking for being insulted by halal/kosher slaughter they would probably punch you in the face. Animal welfare is as sacrosanct to them as the doctrines of Islam are to you.

If it isn't illegal. Do what you will.

I wish there was a facepalm too!!! Yes, the law as it stands at this moment in time is a perfect moral representation of how our society should behave.

Or, it's thousand and thousands of years of continual progress.