To think that a class limit of 30 is overly restrictive For infants

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My parents have new neighbours and they have a six year old boy who is currently being forced to travel 5 miles to primary. The lea is providing transport, but there are four primaries in walking distance. The sheer distance makes hard for the little boy to socialise with classmates. His parents are hoping to get a place in a local school in year 3.

I feel that one of the primaries could go over 30 children in a class with the children melting. Use of an extra ta could help with the logistics of 31 children. Why are year 2 children so much more fragile than year 3 children?

High performing countries like Singapore often have more than 30 in a class.

It sure what you asking

Beg pardon?

Resources are only given when parents complain if the child is legally entitled to them. If without them the childs right to an adequate education isn't being met.

You can't be SEN Tron, you can only have SEN. It stands for special educational needs.

What is not morally right is children with sen not being given an adequate education unless their parents threaten legal action.

My point is that there is limited resources and we should allocate on need not no the inclination to threaten or ability to take action, legal or otherwise. Of course there are children with additional needs and some of these can be provided through mainstream education some cannot without having significant impact on other children. I suspect that if we put support into what is considered as average children then their achievement would improve significantly, often these children are cheap to educate and this is where the money is saved to provide for support elsewhere.

So what you are saying tron is that we shouldn't spend much money on children with sen because they are not worth it.

No I didn't say that I said that, I said that due at some point mainstream education was not the solution

You do realise that all education comes from the same pot of money and any sort of special education is always more expensive.

We have 60 but that's really two classes with the wall inbetween knocked down.. 2 teachers, 2 ta's plus extra speach worker so it works but only due to the amount of adults in the class they all go to their own carpet areas for registration.

Government money is government money and the cost effectiveness of alternative education is lower the less it is used,however it is not just the cost it is the effect on other children

Where do you think all these children are going to go? There are not enough special school places available. Special schools for children with challenging behaviour but no learning difficulties are rare
Parents threatening legal action only gets children what they need, no more than that.

I honestly think given her posting track record it's a waste of time trying to explain any issues of equality and diversity to Tron
She doesn't understand and cares even less.

Legal action can not get a child anything more than their legal entitlement to an 'adequate' education. Meanwhile OFSTED reprimands schools who deliver anything but an outstanding or good education for 'average' children.

And education for many children with SEN can be the difference between living as independent adult or requiring lifetime expensive residential care. That is not the case for average children. I HE and many of these average children I know who are also HEed are not taught anything ever (autonomous education) and many of them still go to university, some as young as 11.

You might disagree with my views ilovesooty but I have not made any personal attacks, I have talked about principles rather than use specific examples and I have not mentioned my own experiences. I
You are entitled to disagree of course but comment such as the one made earlier is uncalled for

Report it as a personal attack then Tron if you want to. I'm talking about evidence which exists on the forum.

Your posts demonstrate a lack of understanding of equality and diversity issues and that lack of knowledge and understanding doesn't seem to be something you have much interest in addressing. Yes, you can disagree with me on matters of belief but I think you'd struggle to refute facts and evidence.

Sorry I meant to say that MostHighly has summed up the importance of equality of opportunity in education absolutely brilliantly.

There are so many sweeping statements on this thread I'm quite taken aback. I have 4 dc, all at primary school, all in classes 30+. I have dts so the class size went up to accommodate them being together, as is law now. And my eldest dc has Aspergers. I am pretty insulted at the idea they have a sub-par education because they bloody don't! It's an outstanding school, the teachers are amazing and all of them are flourishing. 30+ is standard in England for lot of people with kids who live in cities these days, esp now that the coalition seemed to miss the growing birth rate and Schools have been forced to create bulge classes. The suggestion that SEN kids should be bussed out shows woeful ignorance. However, I do think that dc with parents who are less able to support them at home would struggle more with larger classes, because parents play a key role in how children perform educationally. In an ideal world, class sizes would be smaller, yes.

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