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To fear the outcome of Indyref?

365 replies

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 19:47

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

To fear the outcome of Indyref?
OP posts:
JudysPriest · 16/09/2014 21:12

I see it like this.

I came home to my husband last week, sat him down. Janice at work offered me a promotion. Departments not been doing great but I think with the right team we can put it right. There's a lot more work but better pay.

Did you take it or are you going to think about it, asks husband?

Naw, says I. I fucking hate Janice.

Vote no if you've done your research and you're happy with your answer. But voting yes or no cos you hate Cameron or Salmond is chucking the baby out with the bath water.

PhaedraIsMyName · 16/09/2014 21:12

I better check who they are voting for first

That hardly fits with the caring, sharing, it will be so lovely attitude.

SantanaLopez · 16/09/2014 21:13

I better check who they are voting for first

Oh yes, an independent Scotland is going to prioritise the poor and elderly. But only if they toe the party line. Sickening.

Numanoid · 16/09/2014 21:14

Vote no if you've done your research and you're happy with your answer. But voting yes or no cos you hate Cameron or Salmond is chucking the baby out with the bath water.

Exactly this. People should of course vote whichever way they like, but not based on just one or two politicians.

TheBogQueen · 16/09/2014 21:14

If you look at yeslocal.info you wi find details about how to help out on polling day

PhaedraIsMyName · 16/09/2014 21:15

But voting yes or no cos you hate Cameron or Salmond is chucking the baby out with the bath water.

I loathe Salmond. I have plenty of reasons to vote no but if it ends his career that will be an extra benefit.

Bellebelle · 16/09/2014 21:15

It's a nice idea OP but I tend to agree with those who have already said that it's unlikely to have much impact, I'm sorry that your DH is so upset by the prospect of a Yes vote though. Certainly the activity over the past week or so seems to have not just met its goal of scaring a lot of Scottish people but also making a lot of people in England feel very frightened as well. If we do become an independent country we're not actually going anywhere! People will still be able to identify themselves as British and have dual nationality as they have now - you already said that he's half-English and half-Scottish and so he shall remain. We will still share this island and it will take generations for how people identify themselves with regards to their nationality to change - it is an emotional thing and these things change gradually.

I'm a Yes voter and will be elated if it goes through although I'm not really looking forward to the years/decades ahead when every time something doesn't go well it will be blamed on the fact that we voted for independence!

I was very close to DC when he made his speech in Edinburgh last week (closer than any of the media who reported on it) and I did not detect a hint of moistness in his eyes Wink

Numanoid · 16/09/2014 21:15

Thanks TheBogQueen, thought we might have missed our chance. I can only do a couple of hours, but figured every little helps. :)

JudysPriest · 16/09/2014 21:16

Yes, Santana. Lovely Rita is second to Eck as supreme overlord. She decides all iScotland social policy, one tongue in cheek comment and WOOMPH concrete.

TeamScotland · 16/09/2014 21:19
Wink
SapphireMoon · 16/09/2014 21:20

Fingers crossed for a No vote...
I'll get myself back to thread 12....

Brightbutchilly · 16/09/2014 21:21

OK, I've had a biscuit & calmed down a bit. Smile

OP as I said before you are welcome to post what ever you like. You and your family are, of course, completely entitled to take a view and have feelings about the decision your sister nation is making.

I too hold my identity as key to my sense of self, I get as misty eyed at Caledonia as the next Scot. But I truly believe that sentimentality has very little debate in this decision.

I'm not voting yes for some tartan whisky flavour shortbread version of Scotland. I'm voting yes in a fight for my country's future.

I'm sorry if a 'yes' outcome will make your DH a bit sad, but he'll still be half Scottish, your wee lad will still be able to be proud of his Scottish roots. There's only 5 million of us, we'll welcome pretty much anyone who wants to claim us as kin. Independence doesn't change that.

If your DH is proud of his Scots heritage he needs to look past some trite sentimental notion of us as a pretty wee place with kilts and midges and think about who we are.

We are fierce, and brave, and smart. We have been fighting for our land since before the Romans put up a wall. We have been down trodden and still we stand up again and again. As part of the UK over the last several hundred years we've contributed soldiers, politicians, scientists, engineers, scholars, poets and artists not to mention our bounteous natural resources. We've punch well above our weight on the world stage let alone on in the UK.

We just want a chance to do thing our own way. Make decisions for our own children. Take any decision that doesn't get outweighed by someone bigger than us.

We are fierce and brave and smart but they're telling us that we are too small and that we should be scared and that we don't understand the decision we are taking.

If your husband is sad, he should be sad about that. I hope you see why a cute picture doesn't sway me.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 16/09/2014 21:21

Oh for fuck sake, that was bloody joke.

Brightbutchilly · 16/09/2014 21:21

Oh dear, Sad possibly I need another biscuit.

JudysPriest · 16/09/2014 21:21

Going to bow out now, I'm a ratty wee coo this evening. AF is coming with a vengeance which means I have start IUI next month. Not an excuse, I know, and I am sorry.

I'm usually more peace and love and 'we all just want the best for scotland' about this whole thing.

Flowers
PhaedraIsMyName · 16/09/2014 21:22

Not a very good one .

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 16/09/2014 21:24

Most seemed to get the joke. Don't pretend that you didn't realise it was a joke.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 16/09/2014 21:26

Am I tripping? Did people pick up my comment about checking who the people I've offered lifts to are voting for was a joke?

StatisticallyChallenged · 16/09/2014 21:26

*We were challenging you, TeamScotland.

As an aside, we are not 'BT anonymous'. Anyone is welcome on any thread in MN. But we are allowed to question what you say and we are allowed to ask for clarification. We haven't been given that by the yes campaign so far.*

This. If you're not happy with responses come and challenge them, discuss rather than bitch about us just because we don't roll over and agree with you. I've seen plenty of pish on those threads - some from no voters, some from yes voters.

PhaedraIsMyName · 16/09/2014 21:28

Rita I know it was meant to be a joke. Just it wasn't funny.

awaynboilyurheid · 16/09/2014 21:29

Phaedra totally agree on Salmond think he is doing his best to divide Scotland and he has driven me to agree with the Tories its that bad! I know we are not voting for him but it is his delusional vision we are voting for which is don't worry we have oil and any questions about economic reality is scaremongering.

Bellebelle · 16/09/2014 21:29

I also really liked Gordon Brown and thought that he became a scapegoat for Blair's legacy, I think that he's a decent man but probably should never have been PM.

I've never liked Salmond or the SNP although he's done a far better job of articulating the case for a Yes vote than I ever thought he would. I think that a lot of people don't like him because they're embarrassed that he represents the stereotypical Scotsman that many of us try to escape.

Some political commentators have said that while the SNP will probably still get a majority vote in the next election whatever the outcome that in the longer term that if it's a Yes we're more likely to end up with a broad coalition government made up of new political parties which will form in an independent Scotland. If it's a No they think that the SNP will bide their time and then come back 10/20 years later to say "see, you voted No and things didn't get better so now the only real option is independence" - they'll play the long game. Certainly a lot of the companies who have been saying that they'll move down South are thought still likely to move in the event of a No vote due to the inevitable uncertainty over Scotland's future for years to come.

Brightbutchilly · 16/09/2014 21:29

I've had another biscuit.

I completed the MN independence poll but seem to have missed where they announced the results - can any of you fine people point me in the right direction?

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 16/09/2014 21:30

Regarding volunteering...

Contact your local yes organiser, Facebook or just Google yes and your town and you should find someone.

I know a lot have been overwhelmed with offers of help and are struggling coordinating it all. Or speak to a stall.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 16/09/2014 21:31

Or just turn up!

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