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To fear the outcome of Indyref?

365 replies

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 19:47

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

To fear the outcome of Indyref?
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LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 22:20

combust he really has gone off on one hasn't he. No wonder you don't know your arse from your elbow right now :( Wine

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 22:22

combust - well, you have all the info. Try to get some sleep, I hope DH has to be out of the house really early! Go and have a coffee somewhere quiet and think about how YOU feel, without the over exuberant twaddle from DH. Then go to the polling booth, you'll know the right thing to do when you get there.

PhaedraIsMyName · 17/09/2014 22:24

Any Yes supporters care to comment on Salmond's attempt to coerce the Principal of St. Andrew's university in to making a statement of support?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-alex-salmond-tried-to-influence-st-andrews-principal-who-raised-funding-concerns-9737147.html

combust22 · 17/09/2014 22:28

Thanks guys. I had come to a decision to vote a No- albeit reluctantly last week, but I can't abide all the negativity from the No campaigners and my OH is the icing on the cake. I refuse to be intimidated into voting. I feel now that I am being bullied into voting no, and being me rear at the reins if I begin to feel controlled. Even now II can hear him downstairs talking loudly at the telly.

It's good I have my own space tomorrow and if I do vote it will be in the evening with DS. So I have the day to think, calm down and make my own decision.

Iggi999 · 17/09/2014 22:34

Combust22 - to coin a mumsnet phrase, is your dh on glue?!
Remember you don't have to tell him how you voted (or us, for that matter)

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 17/09/2014 22:36

It's a bit concerning someone in charge of counting my vote has such extreme views.

And here was Edinburgh council turning down my offer of help! They were inky using employees for ease of payment. I said I'd do it for free but no luck!

temporaryusername · 17/09/2014 22:36

Perhaps all hell will break loose was an overdramatic description Smile, please excuse that.

I agree there is a kind of buzz (although not being in Scotland I don't know what it is like there), but it just comes alongside so much vitriol. Also, because the population seems very divided (if the polls are any reflection) we know that whatever the outcome many will be upset. It would feel different if the polls were 85% in favour one way or the other.

I also think that although ultimately the Scottish and the English are allies whose bond is strong, there will be an upsurge of resentment going in different directions depending on the result. I wouldn't underestimate how upset the rest of the 'UK' (what would that even mean Sad will be). I truly hope whatever the outcome it can work out well, because whether united or not, Scotland is a fabulous neighbour to have.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 22:36

Combust do you feel that by voting 'no' you are, in part, voting for your DH to leave? It's no bloody wonder you don't know what to do and are stressed. Try to have a nice day & a bit of peace tomorrow Flowers or Wine or both! Have a look at the emoticons, whatever you want - it's on me x

combust22 · 17/09/2014 22:43

Thanks= no he's not on glue Grin neither is he counting the votes, just working there IT/media network stuff.

Latte at this rate having him leave sounds quite attractive, I have to admit. Bike

He's the gentlest sweetest guy, not controlling in any way, it's just this political animal inside him that is quite disagreeable. Thanks for your kind thoughts.

AddToBasket · 17/09/2014 22:45

Not really feeling 'the buzz' here, frankly. My Edinburgh/Midlothian friends and acquaintances are pretty concerned.

The pound dipped last week on the back of a YES possibility - a YES vote will lead to economic turmoil. Ask a Yes voter what a 'bank reserve' is, they won't know. Ask a no voter and they're likely to tell you in detail. The gap between the educated and less educated voting intentions is really stark but everyone's too embarrassed to draw attention to it.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 22:59

I that's the sound of tumbleweed Phaedra!

EarthWindFire · 17/09/2014 23:01
Grin
AddToBasket · 17/09/2014 23:04

University life will be hard hit by a YES outcome. Serious unresolved issues over funding, no access to British funding, no way of charging fees to rest of the UK, etc. The brain drain will be painfully obvious.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 23:07

Yup addtobasket, the claims that independence will protect free tuition fees is up there with "we protect the NHS" in terms of blatant lies.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 23:08

Yes, more of AS's 'Don't worry, be happy' bullshit.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 23:11

doo dooo do do do do do do do dododo. dodododododooooo dododododo

thehajduk · 18/09/2014 05:52

Good luck tomorrow to all those who can vote. I think this vote is a clear example of democracy in action and thus in a way beautiful but I do hope that No will win.

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ashmts · 18/09/2014 10:57

Addtobasket I completely disagree. As someone said earlier (I think it was on this thread), it's impossible to predict how people who are black, white, educated or not so much, Catholic, Protestant, atheist, born in Scotland or not, are going to vote. There's not much of a pattern to it.

SomeSunnySunday · 18/09/2014 11:14

Gosh, Addtobasket, that's quite a statement! You're not the first person I've heard claim this - many No voters seem to think that the vote is split down educational achievement (or worse, class) lines. The cynical part of me thinks that this is a myth which has been subtly perpetrated by the Better Together campaign to play on the feelings of those more aspirational members of our society and make voting 'No' appear to be the acceptable, middle class thing to do. Maybe there is a slight bias towards middle class No voters, I could probably accept this as being the case. But I know plenty of highly intelligent, very well educated Yes voters who would be more than capable of explaining what a bank reserve is. And to be honest, if the less educated members of our society are pushing for change, don't we need to listen to that's even if they are not blessed with the education to allow them to fully articulate their reasoning? Aren't they the very people who a Yes vote would help? There is no reason for anyone to be badly educated or poorly informed in today's Scotland, and it's a sad reflection on the current state of affairs that these sectors of society still exist.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 18/09/2014 12:11

Look how the more vocal no voters on here let that disgusting generalisation pass...

StatisticallyChallenged · 18/09/2014 12:16

I didn't actually spot it lovleyRita, I'd read this on a phone and missed it. It is not acceptable to judge education based on voting choice

Brightbutchilly · 18/09/2014 12:58

Add to Basket my DH and I both have degrees at Post graduate level, are successful professionally and are generally well read and well informed. We don't meet anyone's criteria for 'uneducated'.

My FB feed is split fairly evenly between no and yes. All the Yes voters on my feed have at least one degree.

Even if that weren't the case, there's no criteria for voting either way. A high school drop out's vote counts equally to a professors.

As it should.

Seeing as this is a democracy.

In 2014.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 18/09/2014 13:02

I'm picking up here and on other threads that there's somehow a level of education or class required to exercise your vote.

It gives me chills.

Not that long ago women weren't allowed to vote. Working class men weren't allowed to vote. Only the elite men had a say.

Brightbutchilly · 18/09/2014 13:13

Quite Rita

There is a very aggressive enthusiastic no voter on my FB feed who has, for months been saying that yes voters are stupid and uneducated.

Each and every post has had a glaring grammatical or spelling error.

It's been making me smile for weeks.

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