To fear the outcome of Indyref?

[thehajduk]

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

RitaI saw the comment you made, and it was quite obviously a joke. There are some posters on here who are very happy to insult and name call and then get all faux upset when you post a comment that was quite obviously a joke [ hmm]

I agree Rita. I made a joke on a thread in chat ages ago and got a similar reaction. By posters who were calling yes voters Rab c nesbitt and Mary doll.

Which just about sums up the position.

You know, there were some pretty shitty comments made about no voters too. There was lots of sneering from the Yes voters. Lots of rudeness, derogatory comments etc. Mostly those who have posted comments about peoples intellect or worse were told by other posters to stop it.

Challenging views, asking for rationale and evidence is not bullying. I'd also say that the Yes side were just as cliquey. If you don't want to debate your views fine, but don't make out you were hounded off by the evil No voters. Because it's not true.

Commenting on my posts, one delightful poster pronounced the failure of the education system to provide scholars with a 'basic' understanding of the political system. I decided not to reply that in fact I have a degree in Politics as I saw how previously posters who had stated their education were harangued and sneered at. These tactics have been used over many threads to many posters. The same poster has posted at length at the stupidity of the working class not understanding the issues etc. She was not called on any of it. Most of it is just sheer snobbery.

I gave up as it was too one sided and just hoped that any lurkers could see it. It's not a surprise that there are very few Yes voters on the Indyref thread now.

SC as someone who has dipped in & out of the indyref threads, I stopped reading them, never mind posting, because of the 'thick' & 'deluded' posts, general hysteria - it has been overwhelmingly coming from no posters as the yes posters have dwindled away. There is very little that has passed for debate, especially the latter few threads. You can't even ask a question without someone throwing in some slight.

I'm one of those who will probably decide when I'm in the voting booth & frankly I can't wait for all this to be over. Because if I have to read much more about nazis, riots, intimidation, delusion, fear, and anyone claiming the moral high ground for whatever reason I think I might just scream. It's getting ridiculous.

Tension most of the time the thick and deluded posts have been challenged. The latter threads have been poorer, but the Yes voters have been pretty horrid themselves. I was reduced to tears by one of the earlier threads. To claim it's one sided nasty No voters is an insult to those of us who have tried very, very hard to be factual and debate nicely.

I have too been reduced to tears by things said to me. Being called selfish for chosing to vote no when people absolutely nothing about me ir my life.

I agree the insults from both sides are inexcusable but the main thing is the FACTS themselves-not how well they are presented -it's not a debate/popularity/niceness/ competition we're judging-there are good/likeable speakers on both sides what's best for scotland? Devomax![also-any good socialist should want to stick with UK to help get tories out overall]

The use of the word 'deluded' is to claim that yes voters are mistaken in their beliefs. Not meant to be a slight on anyone's character. I thought 'delusional' is a psychiatric term to describe people who frequently believe things that aren't true. But 'deluded' just means wrong.

Westminster's powerbase in the global context will be gone forever and we will shout with joy and be delighted like the abused chuld watching the convicted paedo is marched away

Above is the most shameful post I have seen. You can pretend the Yes voters have been whiter than white all you like, but the evidence is there for all to see.

That's really awful, I agree. I take it it was on one of the Indyref threads?

Noone has said that Yes voters are whiter than white though.

Noone has said that Yes voters are whiter than white though.

It has been said previously that all if the nastiness is on the No side.

rita, poor you
You can see that by the comment I made in jest when talking about offering my elderly neighbours a lift to the polling station. When every comment you make is twisted and misconstrued like that, intentionally, it's impossible to function

I promised myself to avoid these threads because of the way some people were taking them, but if you could clarify the Isis 'joke' you posted the morning after the beheading? It wasn't funny and it wasn't misconstrued so stop playing the victim when you handed out as much as you received.

My joke wasn't about isis. It was a meme mocking the better together paranoid women advert.

I accepted that the timing was poor but the meme had no relation to the previous days events.

It's mocking the blind panic people fly into.

I'm English and want and English Parliament to govern and care about my country, but nobody is bothered about that. WHY? makes me so and

Guys why are we fighting on here! The point of the post was to show that people care and to indicate that the Scots are right to decide for themselves.

Why not see this as a reconciliation post as no matter what the decision will be there will be a lot of upset and angry people and hopefully they will accept the democratic vote whichever way it goes and will not turn nasty. For that to happen we on MN out of all people should not be turning nasty towards each other.

OP I have a British and Irish passport, I was born in England to Irish parents.
I am both Irish and British.

Ireland has it's problems but its a much wealthier country now than when the English has it's jackboot on Ireland's throat.
1 1/2 million dead and 1 1/2 million fled in the preventable famine of 1848, that's forever etched in the Irish psyche.

I am soo excited for Scotland, I so hope they rid themselves of the Westminster elites!

It's clear from their behavior they are all cut from the same cloth, self serving twunts the lot of them!!

It's amusing to see them running scared!!

SisterMckenzie the situation with Scotland is nothing like the situation was in Ireland. The Irish were treated appallingly, of that there is no doubt. Whilst Scotland has its flaws, it's just not the same at all.

I'd also point out that the Scots had plenty of involvement in Britain's colonial past, including huge involvement in Ireland. Being independent won't rewrite our history books.

I agree marmite the English should have had it's own parliament long ago.

I'm only not sure if it should just be one - I wonder if something smaller would be better with a UK parliament only for shared issues. so a more federal approach really

Statistically my points were
-people can have two identities regardless of union or independence
-countries have left unions and it wasn't the end of the world

SisterMckenzie what a load of bollocks. The situation in Scotland is nothing like the one in Ireland.

X posted, but that's not what I got from your first post. And you don't think Salmond is cut from the same cloth as Westminster politicians? Hahahahaha.

Ireland left the UK after an entirely different history and in a very different time with a different set up. It's also a pretty rotten comparison really given how long ago it was. Of course it's possible to have two identities but there's more to it than that here.

Salmond used to like to compare us to Ireland and said we'd be another Celtic Tiger economy. He stopped that a few years ago, funnily enough. We won't be any country except Scotland if we vote Yes - just a very messed up and probably impoverished version for years to come.

Over two years, at the very least, we have been discussing and thinking about this. For some it's been a life's work.

And after all that, you still don't know what currency you'll be using, or if you'll be in the EU.

I find that astonishing!!