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To fear the outcome of Indyref?

365 replies

thehajduk · 16/09/2014 19:47

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

To fear the outcome of Indyref?
OP posts:
PhaedraIsMyName · 17/09/2014 21:11

Why assume every one thinks or should think like you?

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 17/09/2014 21:12

Sorry? What? You are making assumptions in my assumptions. Please don't. I asked you a question.

Are you always this defensive?

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 21:12

I'm not actually that bothered for Devomax personally - but I think it would be the right thing for the country in the event of a No vote as it would be some sort of mid point.

PhaedraIsMyName · 17/09/2014 21:20

Because Rita I think it would give Holyrood the opportunity to waste even more money to achieve even less than it has to date.

PhaedraIsMyName · 17/09/2014 21:23

And I'm not out at a rally as I'm still at work. Where I've been since 10 this morning.

Innermagic · 17/09/2014 21:24

Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3%

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production
81% of the untapped coal reserves
62% of the timber production
46% of the total forest area
92% of the hydro electric production
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
60% of the fish landings
30% of the beef herd
20% of the sheep herd
9% of the dairy herd
10% of the pig herd
15% if the cereal holdings
20% of the potato holdings
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry
13 billion food and drink industry
10 billion business services industry
9.3 billion chemical services industry
A 9.3 billion tourism industry
7 billion financial services industry
5 billion aeroservice industry
4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports

We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics...

Now, finally, did you also know that in all of the UK's elections for Westminster ever!... Not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide".

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though)

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

SCOTLAND, ITS TIME TO STAND UP AS A NATION AND VOTE YES ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER... AND BECOME A FREE AND CARING NATION AGAIN!!!

VOTE YES AND SET OUR COUNTRY FREE!!!!

EarthWindFire · 17/09/2014 21:28

THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT!

Scotland is not a homogenous group and I am not scared thank you not am I politically ignorant.

EarthWindFire · 17/09/2014 21:29

*nor am I...

Oh and that list had been posted numerous times on these threads.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 21:31

If you want to join the discussion how about you do that rather than pasting the same list we have seen at least a dozen times now.

Abra1d · 17/09/2014 21:33

Perhaps you could spell 'whisky' the Scottish way.

temporaryusername · 17/09/2014 21:43

I wish people would stop being aggressive. I feel for everyone in Scotland tonight, whichever way they want it to go it must be a very tense time.

Sorry to break it to you but those elsewhere in the Uk are worried too and they have every right to be. Northern Ireland, Wales, England will all lose influence, lose money and lose much time on the long divorce proceedings following a yes vote, and they will also feel very sad to lose such a valued and loved member of the Uk. Yet, they have had no say or vote. I respect that but please try to be a little more understanding of other's feelings.

I am also horrified that people who want a no vote have been told they are not proud Scots. I guess that means I'm not proud to be English since I'm happy to be in the Uk Confused. I respect the opinion of those who want a yes vote, totally, but if a large number of them think that being in the no camp means you're not a proud Scot, that doesn't say much for them.

I have a horrible feeling all hell is about to break loose. Temporarily hopefully.

By the way, I don't think you can blame Cameron for reminding people this is forever - considering that even leaders of the Yes campaign are presenting this in terms of never again having a Tory government. Um, no...the future of Scotland could go any way politically. Cameron was probably just thinking it would be too obvious a point to make when he heard that crap.

Good luck.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 17/09/2014 21:49

Why would you think all hell will break loose? People are taking part in a political process. There's a huge buzz, great discussions and political debates.

I think it's fantastic. Perhaps people have become so accustomed to the apathy and cynicism of general elections that they don't recognise the democratic process in full voice.

PhaedraIsMyName · 17/09/2014 21:56

You may think there's "a huge buzz"

I am feeling sick and depressed. If it's no it will be an overwhelming sense of relief. No celebrations, no gloating just thank god that is over.

If Yes win it will be a display of triumphalism.

combust22 · 17/09/2014 21:57

My OH thinks a yes vote will result in civil war, thousands of deaths and Alex Salmond up in the dock charged with war crimes.

I am still struggling with my decision on voting. OH isn't helping.

TeamScotland · 17/09/2014 21:58

Massive buzz here.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 22:01

Pretty much exactly the same here Phaedra.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 17/09/2014 22:02

Yes I do think there's a huge buzz Phaedra. And I'm very happy about that. Not from the perspective of a yes vote but both sides being fully engaged in the debate.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 22:03

Wow combust22. I fully admit my expectations of what an independent Scotland might be like are a bit gloomy but I think they're realistic IYSWIM! I haven't got to civil war stage!

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 17/09/2014 22:04

Combust22, wtf? Please tell me you're joking. Civil war? War crimes?

combust22 · 17/09/2014 22:07

That's why I have gone to bed. I'm sick of his forcasts of death and destruction. Thank go he will go to work tomorrow at 8am,to Ingliston ( Vote counting HQ and where the results are broadcast from) and won't return until 10 pm Friday morning ( assumming no recount.) 24 blissfull hours.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 17/09/2014 22:10

I'm off to bed too. Big day tomorrow. Enjoy the peace and quiet combust.

combust22 · 17/09/2014 22:12

sleep tight set. I'm off to a yoga class tomorrow, bit of shopping, some work. May not even bother voting. I'm past caring.

browneyedgirl86 · 17/09/2014 22:13

I'm feeling nervous. Really, really hoping that we will get a no vote.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 17/09/2014 22:14

Ooh yoga. Sounds good.

Please vote though.

combust22 · 17/09/2014 22:15

set- I just don't know how to vote anymore.