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To fear the outcome of Indyref?

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thehajduk · 16/09/2014 19:47

My husband is half Scottish and half English and I am seriously worried that he will be heartbroken on Thursday if Scotland votes Yes! He is worried that our little boy's British identity will be undermined. Thus he took this picture and is hoping that all of us who care will take a similar photo with a similar message to show Scotland that we care.
Not all of us get to vote, and it’s Scotland’s decision - and Scotland’s alone - to make. But all 60 million of us care what that decision is, and we have a few days now to show everyone in Scotland how much.

We shared this message on Facebook and Twitter and many have followed - here is our hope that those of us on Mumsnet who care about the British identity of our children will follow.

Please take your photo and choose your hashtag #LetsStayTogether #PleaseDontGo #NoThanks

To fear the outcome of Indyref?
OP posts:
PhaedraIsMyName · 17/09/2014 13:30

Westminster's powerbase in the global context will be gone forever and we will shout with joy and be delighted like the abused chuld watching the convicted paedo is marched away

Was that said on this forum? That does take the prize for nastiness.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 13:35

It was indeed Phaedra

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 13:52

I hope Gordon Brown's lunchtime speech gets replayed a lot before tomorrow morning.

I wish he had been speaking more loudly before now.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 14:08

It's here incase anyone missed it :)

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 14:48

A fantastic speech from Gordon once he got going.

zippey · 17/09/2014 14:59

I wouldnt believe anything Brown has to say. Listen to Tommy Sheridan instead.

Dont worry OP, in an independant Scotland we will welcome the English and other nationalities with open arms. It will be a better place for you and your family.

Scotland just wants the ability to make its own decisions. Whats so wrong about that?

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 15:02

I wouldn't listen to Gordon Brown - instead listen to a man with a conviction for perjury?! Thanks, but no.

effinandjeffin · 17/09/2014 15:07

Blimey! Just watched that Gordon Brown speech. He was on fire. Shame I never really saw him speak with such passion about anything else when he was PM.

EarthWindFire · 17/09/2014 15:08

SC just best me to it Grin

Sallyingforth · 17/09/2014 15:18

Scotland just wants the ability to make its own decisions. Whats so wrong about that?

  1. "Scotland" doesn't want that. Only half of Scotland wants that
  1. and those decisions are going to hurt many people.
saoirse31 · 17/09/2014 15:25

And decisions made by the tories/ lib dems dont hurt many people? I think whatever the result is it's certainly been beneficial. Even if its a no, then Scotland will have more devolution...unless the tories, lib dems and labour r lying of course.

OneNight · 17/09/2014 16:01

In some ways I'd agree with you saoirse31. I differ a little from StatisticallyChallenged in that I am not necessarily a committed unionist. I do not however believe that the time is right, that this way is right and that the people who have been aiming to rule me are right. To me, they simply haven't done the homework which is critical on such a big matter.

Perhaps more UK federalism with Scotland leading is the way to go ? I'm not sure at this point but I am sure that Alex Salmond's recommended primrose path is not the answer.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 16:05

I'm not a wholly committed unionist OneNight. I've been surprised how sentimental I feel towards it and I definitely think it has pros, but I've said on other threads that I would see a time when I would be more supportive of an independent Scotland.

Maybe there will come a time when I’ll look at Scotland and think “you’re in a great position to thrive as an independent nation.” But that time is not now, not with these policies, these economics, these huge lies and not with half of the population opposed and a bitter division opening up. That's not the foundation of a strong, stable country.

OneNight · 17/09/2014 16:07
Grin

But I agree.

HenryLee · 17/09/2014 16:07

My partner is from London, he has lived in Scotland for a decade, he is voting YES because he wants a fairer future for his children growing up in Scotland.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 16:10

Those voting no aren't doing so because they fancy continuing inequality and they dislike social justice. I want the world to be fairer. I want the UK to be fairer. I want Scotland to be fairer. But I don't believe independence will make it so. Just poorer all round.

dementedma · 17/09/2014 16:16

listen to Tommy Sheridan?? That bastion of truth? If that doesn't make you worry then nothing will.

Anticipating a strong anti-English backlash whatever happens. I'm voting No

OneNight · 17/09/2014 16:19

People have expressed the view to me that they want to vote for secession to 'help the poor' HenryLee. Unfortunately they seem to have no idea how this will ever be achieved and little concept of even the possiblity of appalling financial and social conditions after any vote for secession.

I wouldn't want to leave the youngsters of this country to attempt to pick up the pieces of a bad decision based on wholly inadequate facts. They'll probably have enough on their plate dealing with the environmental issues we'll leave them (which the SNP are making little or no attempt to tackle) without adding to their burden.

There needs to be a better way and while I'm not immediately sure what that is I am sure that it's not the SNP proposals. I'm thrilled that people are more engaged in the political process as a result of this referendum and I can only hope that they stay engaged to work with others to get this thing done properly and not as it's currently formulated.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 16:21

Well said OneNight. And dementedma!

Sallyingforth · 17/09/2014 16:30

he is voting YES because he wants a fairer future for his children growing up in Scotland.

Has he explained to you how this impoverished, isolated country can be fairer?

Deux · 17/09/2014 16:38

I'm interested in a post upthread about child poverty in Scotland. The implication is that an iScotland would alleviate this.

I have 2 questions:-

  • how would iScotland do this? What exactly would it look like?
  • why has the Scottish government done nothing about it?

I'm an expat Scot happily living in England. If I had a vote, I would vote No but acknowledge I might vote differently if I was living in Scotland.

Abra1d · 17/09/2014 17:09

If the SNP are so worried about child poverty what have they done in the last few years? If nothing has changed since they've been in power what makes us believe they would be better able to deal with it?

Another point going way back in this thread or another--I am not sure: Why are Yes people so convinced that relocating Trident would mean they were safer? Surely if it gets to a stage where nuclear warheads are being fired at northern English industrial and military targets it's pretty well curtains for Scotland, too? Depending on wind direction, etc. But even if, to be gruesome, you didn't die in the original blast, the fallout would get you? Or starvation caused by lack of transport links to the rest of the UK and Europe? I appreciate this isn't necessarily an Indyref question! Lots of people on different political sides have differing views on the subject.

OneNight · 17/09/2014 17:20

There are some people who believe that the end justifies the means Deux and Abra1d but I think that the separatists have taken things one stage further even. They seem now to have forgotten about the end and to be concentrating only on the means. Possibly that is because the end of all of this is going to be so awful that it's not fit to be contemplated and possibly it's just a way to concentrate the minds of their temporary followers.

I'm not sure but I suspect that without a No vote tomorrow, things will be very grim indeed. I can see the gaping holes in the words of their promises and in their plans just by reading their famous White Paper and the other literature. An experienced accountant friend of mine and after a detailed study told me that 'Their figures are mince!' So between the two of us?

I have no faith in their integrity, ability or vision. As Donald Dewar said, the SNP are about the 'Politics of Illusion'.

No thanks. Illusion is not for me.

Numanoid · 17/09/2014 17:54

Even if its a no, then Scotland will have more devolution...unless the tories, lib dems and labour r lying of course

They have already started to oppose it. At least one Tory MP has publicly tweeted that he will oppose the proposition of more powers for Scotland, I doubt it will happen. I've suspected as much ever since they said they would give us the details well after the referendum.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 17:57

As we've already seen with the bedroom tax the Tories can be over-ruled. The Lib Dems will most likely vote for it because they want to regain some credibility. Labour will vote for it because they're more popular in Scotland, and they are generally a pro devolution party. Most of the Tories will vote for it because they don't like committing political suicide. I'm sure some will oppose it. But we don't need all of them. Just a majority. And I think we'll get that.

Well, as long as the SNP MPs can be arsed to turn up ;)