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Indyref 11. The home of good manners

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grovel · 14/09/2014 18:37

!0,000 and counting.

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EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 18:41

Yay... Got there at last

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/09/2014 18:41

There are now 3 threads - I have requested mine be deleted, suggest we use this one

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 14/09/2014 18:43

Which ever thread you eventually settle on May I make a suggestion? There really is nothing left to these threads out with a lot of back patting and 'ooo those nasty he's kind of chat. In light of that would it not be better to change the name to something that reflects the self serving fan gatherings they have become?

PhaedraIsMyName · 14/09/2014 18:43

I've watched the clip. Salmond did not answer the question he went off on another tangent.

Heaven help us if there is a yes vote. Can we expect demonstrations every time there is a report Sa?mond doesn't like?.

Given the constant calls of "scaremongering" probably yes.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 14/09/2014 18:44

*yes not he's

EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 18:46

Today 18:39 OOAOML

Getting in early to the new thread. I went to the Aerial No in Edinburgh. It was great, and I got totally choked up with the emotion.

I'm glad it was good. I so want to go to one but practically I can't Sad

PhaedraIsMyName · 14/09/2014 18:46

Rita I tend to agree. Nothing you nor IrnBru could say will change my mind.

Particularly after the Ebola/Isis poster.

grovel · 14/09/2014 18:48

It seems appropriate that the seccessionists should start the new thread.

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grovel · 14/09/2014 18:49

If they don't like this one.

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EarthWindFire · 14/09/2014 18:50

That Ebola/ISIS picture was in bad taste today of all days no matter what side of the debate you are on. Sad

livingzuid · 14/09/2014 18:52

Oh boo hoo Alex Salmond complaining the BBC is biased and whatever? Pot and kettle the hypocrite. The only bonus of a Yes vote is that we can be shot of the SNP for once and for all.

AnnieHoo · 14/09/2014 18:52

What Murdoch up to now?

His latest tweet:

@rupertmurdoch: SNP not talking about independence, but more more welfarism, expensive greenery, etc and passing sovereignty to Brussels.

grovel · 14/09/2014 18:53

He's just got some private polling data, I imagine.

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PhaedraIsMyName · 14/09/2014 18:55

Grovel showing Yes ahead and he's trying to talk it down?

Or showing No ahead and he wants to back the winning side?

OneNight · 14/09/2014 18:55

passing sovereignty to Brussels?

Fontella · 14/09/2014 18:58

Thanks to the responses to my earlier questions.

As regards BBC bias - it never ceases to amaze me how many factions and causes they are supposed to be biased against?

They are continually accused of having a 'left-wing bias, being overly PC in relation to issues like immigration, but have also contrastingly been accused of racism. They have also been accused of having both a pro-Muslim and then an anti-Muslim bias, anti-American bias, pro EU bias and so on.

The Mail has a long running feud with the BBC which is the butt of many a joke on the comments section over there with Mail articles and editorials never failing to take a pop at what they see as an overly PC, liberal, ‘lefty’ organisation.

During the run up to the European elections I remember seeing an interview with Nigel Farage (who I know goes down like a lead balloon on here, but who nevertheless has as much right to speak as anyone) and a pro-EU advocate from the Lib-Dems (name escapes me), and it was apparent to anyone watching that Farage was being interrupted, contradicted and derided, not by the politician with the opposing views, but by the BBC journalist interviewing them. The Lib-Dem by contrast, was given free rein to speak at length without interruption while the interviewer nodded encouragingly in agreement.

Likewise a debate I watched on the BBC with George Galloway and Jim Sillars where one of the (three) interviewers made it clear by her facial expressions every time Galloway spoke that she was not an admirer, and challenged and interrupted him on several occasions, but allowed Sillars to speak without challenge and with the head nodding that suggested agreement with what he was saying. By contrast, between the two politicians themselves there was argument of course, but also some good natured banter and mutual compliment.

Some might argue that the politicians I have mentioned deserved to be challenged in such a way because of their political views, But then why should Salmond, a controversial and outspoken politician in his own right, not be challenged in the same way, or should the BBC go easy on him for fear of accusations of bias? Farage is right wing, Galloway on the opposite side of the political spectrum – so which way the BBC is supposedly biased I’m not quite sure?

What I saw in the Salmond press conference is Nick Robinson asking a question of the type he would ask any politician of whatever political persuasion, and Salmond doing what we have seen any skilful and seasoned politician do and that is skirt all around the question and make political points of his own including a well aimed dig at the BBC. He doesn’t give a direct answer to the question, despite claiming he does.

The question being ‘Why should a Scottish voter, believe you, a politician, over men who are responsible for millions of pounds of profits?

I never heard a direct answer to that question. I watched it twice and if it’s in there, I must have missed it?

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 14/09/2014 19:00

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cedricsneer · 14/09/2014 19:07

Cut and pasted from wrong thread:

I'm place marking to keep this in "threads I'm on". I would also like to say that until 2/3 weeks ago I was undecided/leaning to yes.

These threads have been amazing in crystallising the issue for me. I am now a firm no. I have valued everyone's input, from itllallbeallright with her (his?) passion to statistically with her/his rational and calm appraisal of the facts.

I have been a firm no for a few weeks now, but if there were ever any chance of swinging me, Rita, you have made me more emphatically no than ever.

Statistically I wish you had been running the no campaign at grassroots!

Cambiodenombre · 14/09/2014 19:13

Murdoch's stance is a strange one. Seems a big u turn.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/09/2014 19:13

I do wonder about Rupert. If he sits on the fence much longer he'll have splinters in his ass

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 14/09/2014 19:15

Cedric - what do you think the main thing is that has swung you to a No voter?

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 14/09/2014 19:16

Just back from staying with friends further north, and catching up with the news (no radio reception where we were, and terrible internet Confused)

the BBC is always being accused of bias, but I'd still believe them over most other sources.

On the road north there were lots of undamaged No posters - the first I've seen for a while. Our friends said most of them are on the big estate that runs either side of the road, so unlikely that they'd get vandalised. ie, the people that live on the estate probably also work there and wouldn't dare express an opposing view. This is clearly not right, and land reform up here is an issue with which I have some sympathy. However, same friends know that even with forestry and stalking, the big estate spends £100,000 a year to keep the whole thing going, income and jobs that is hard to replace.

OneNight · 14/09/2014 19:16

Possibly he's in possession of private polling data as someone else suggested on the old thread.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/09/2014 19:17

I just caught some mention of the protests on the BBC news. It's slightly ironic watching them reporting on the protests against their own so called bias.

IrnBruTheNoo · 14/09/2014 19:17

Excuse me, Phaendra I will have no links with the ISIS 'joke' picture. I don't agree with it at all and did not even find it remotely funny whether or not it happened ten years ago or today's headline. It's sick. End of.