to ask where indyref Part 5 is?

[grovel]

Well?

That's a good question grandtheft, something I've been wondering about too.

If Scotland wants to become part of Scandinavia, or even be like Scandinavia, it has to get rid of the institutionalised corruption in the Scottish state.

I still invite the Yes supporters to explain to me why the Scottish Parliament are failing to tackle all the corruption going on in City of Edinburgh Council, since it is at the forefront of this supposedly fairer and more equal society.

Criseyde - your post 14.37 re political landscape post yes result - sorry - these threads are moving too fast!

If there are likely to be more minority parties within an iScotland government is that a good thing? I know a lot of European countries usually end up with coalition governments. Do you think that a coalition would stifle iScotland's progress in the first instance - lots of parties coming from different places trying to set up a functioning government/state?

Oh Chelsy, when you mislead people try to say things that aren't so easy to disprove.

You said 1 in 5 Scots voted Tory in the 2010 general election. 412,000 voted Tory, which was 9% of the 3.94 million electorate.

So you overestimated by over 100%.

When you blatantly lie like this why should anyone take notice of anything you say?

I very much doubt that the fears raised by the Telegraph will come to fruition. What kind of wherewithal do we need to set up our own currency, exactly? Billions in oil? Billions in whisky? And no, I was not proposing becoming part of Scandinavia, which would be difficult in a geographical sense. But iScotland traded with our northern and continental neighbours before Union, we can do so again.

I refuse to get hysterical over matters which will almost certainly not happen.

What kind of wherewithal do we need to set up our own currency, exactly? Billions in oil? Billions in whisky?

Millions of pounds in the BOE backing all Scottish notes printed....

I've chipped in on corruption, Chelsy. And I asked what, specifically, you'd like the Scottish Parliament to do legislatively about local corruption? What new measures would you like to see passed? It seems to me that corruption is rather a matter for the police and the judiciary.

I don't know why Cordelia is joking about immigration and asylum seekers. One of the incentives to vote yes is to repeal Westminster's inhumane asylum policy as it applies to Scotland. There is little public support for detention centres in Scotland. A lot of people would like to see Dungavel shut. And an end to UKBA harassing and intimidating the asylum seekers in their communities.

On foreign policy? I'd imagine an independent Scotland would be very unlikely to embark on illegal unilateral campaigns.

Fwiw I'm looking forward to another 'rainbow' parliament in Scotland.

If roughly 10% are Tory/centre left then they should have 10% of seats. I'd also like to see the greens and socialists return to having several seats. I also think it's valuable to have some independents. I think this kind of mix is good for democracy.it encourages co operation rather than the adversarialism seen at WM. We need to find common ground and work with people we disagree with rather than the snappy politics the 2 party WM system breeds.

The ability of the Scottish parliament to truly represent scotland is one of the most powerful reasons for yes, imo.

Lady Cordelia- no they didn't, of those who turned out it was only 16% who voted Tory.

I can call out misinformation when I see it!

grandtheft: "If there are likely to be more minority parties within an iScotland government is that a good thing? I know a lot of European countries usually end up with coalition governments. Do you think that a coalition would stifle iScotland's progress in the first instance - lots of parties coming from different places trying to set up a functioning government/state?"

This is really the first term where there's actually been a majority government in Holyrood. So it's a parliament very much used to working in coalition. I think that it is a good thing that voters are, and feel, represented - whether they are voting for minority left wing parties, single-issue parties, or, indeed, the Scottish Conservatives.

LadyC, they're still predicting the future, which is unknowable. I wonder what motivations they might have for such predictions? What are their motivations?

I think if you did some research you would find that 1 in 5 of the people who bothered to turn out and vote voted conservative. You really need to stop calling people who are clearly better informed than you liars. You make yourself look very very foolish and ignorant.

So you are both right. I think people should be more careful about defining their variables/terms.

I think OldLady means to be entirely independent.

That means setting up a central bank, with billions of a recognised stable currency in its accounts (or gold in its vaults).

Why not recruit that eminent Scots financial expert, Gordon Brown?

The conservative vote is not as robust as 1 in 5. It was, as far as I know, about 17% in the 2010 GE, which was a good result for them, and has more usually been about 15-16%

I think coalitions are a good thing. It means everyone is still represented and the "winning" party will have to make concessions/negotiate with other parties. Yes it can slow things down a bit, but its quite a good check on the winning party doing anything too ridiculous.

YOu know the tune of the song: 'I'm on my way, from misery to happiness today, uh ha, uh ha, uh ha, uh ha....

I was in the Jobcentre today.
This guy sauntered in, sat next to me, and started singing (quite loudly),
"14 more days till we send the English ho-o-ome to stay, uh huh, uh huh, uh huh"

Not only did they not say anything (though another guy was sent out for having a can of juice) one of the bloody security guys stared having a loud chat with him about how great Wee Eck was and 2 bloody managers came over and all joined in and had a jolly blether.

Great. Send me home.
It would be better than living in this shitey atmosphere.

But then, being anti English doestn count as 'real' racism, does it?
It's just a laugh (and they deserve it, after all. Culloden and a' that).

That means setting up a central bank, with billions of a recognised stable currency in its accounts (or gold in its vaults).

Well we've got all the £s in BOE for a start...

LadyC, they're still predicting the future, which is unknowable. I wonder what motivations they might have for such predictions? What are their motivations?

I could ask the same thing, OldLady, about the financial expert recruited by Salmond to say that there must be a CU.

We have billions in a recognised stable currency and/or gold backing our Scottish notes already.

Well we've got all the £s in BOE for a start

:) :) :)

Remind me again what BOE stands for?