to ask where indyref Part 5 is?

[grovel]

Well?

I did notice that when LadyCordeliaFlyte posted about how much she earned, she gained a lot of abusive comments from Yes supporters.

It really doesn't create a good impression, you know.

Its not a vote winner. Women are allowed to earn well. We have unemployed women, high earning women, average women, part-time working women, SAHMS, ladies of leisure, full-time working women, professional women, non-professional women, in Scotland. Not one of them should be made to feel their vote doesn't count, which is what you were trying to do with LadyCordeliaFlyte and what you have in the past tried to do with me, not on terms of a specific amount of earnings, but that my posts are too well written, or something similar. It amounts to much the same thing. I think those who do this are buying into misogynism actually.

Yes lady c, I think you are Chelsy might have merged in mine too! :-)

Mind you I think me and weatherall are quite different . She tries to find facts to argue with. I've said over and over again that I don't see the point of that because there are none! We can all club each other over the head constantly with our interpretations based on our experiences of various figures and scenarios. It's a red herring. I'm not interested!

I hear you all! It's a risk! But by all means keep saying it in different ways :-)

Itsallgoing I don't think anyone has accused Chelsy of sockpuppeting LadyCordelia. She does however have a very distinctive posting style and I for one am very sure that she has been posting on these threads under various guises for years. This is not an accusation - she has never sockpuppeted, just occasionally changed names as many of us do.

What on earth is your point?

I've posted on here for a maximum of a year, or just under, if I recall rightly. I've changed name, as a form of personal security, because I posted on the Relationships board a couple of times.

Just what is your point? Why is it so interesting if one poster changes username but not another?

I don't see you posting up a list of past usernames for checking.

How obsessed do you have to be with an internet site to even comment on this sort of thing? Its pretty strange.

Webchat is on ds' birthday.....fortunately he'll be at school! :)

And why on earth would someone post on Scottish independence threads for years? Surely these threads have only been going quite recently, as the Referendum got closer.

How many years are we talking about, and where is my deceased literary style doppelganger?

Hello another red herring. I don't remember anyone ever saying anything against successful women, don't be so utterly ridiculous!

Criseyde, I'm English and trying to limit myself to questions on this thread. I'm genuinely interested in the whole topic.

I'm just conscious that an iScotland will have limited practical, political experience in some fields of central government (Foreign Affairs, Defence, international money markets etc). There are some Scots in WM with loads of experience in these fields and, at minimum, their contact books would be handy.

bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/04/we-need-to-talk-about-leadership/ read this article and then say that women who support independence are against successful women. Utter tosh

Just what is your point? Why is it so interesting if one poster changes username but not another?

I don't see you posting up a list of past usernames for checking.

How obsessed do you have to be with an internet site to even comment on this sort of thing? Its pretty strange.

Not obsessed. Just pointing out that you are a name changer, not a sock puppeteer.

How many years are we talking about

Maybe not years it just feels that way just since the dawn of the Indy threads...

deedee that article is a bit clichéd isn't it: "men like to talk over women".

"For everyone, but particularly for women and subjugated others, the independence discussion has been a massively positive experience: we have found our voice, reached out to our neighbours, activated our networks, and discovered the power and influence that each of us could have. We must maintain the level of engagement that we are currently experiencing."

I'm not subjugated, the biggest attempts at subjugation and patronising I've ever experienced in my life have been on here and from yes campaigners, and not at work. I have no problems "finding my voice" or discovering my power.

Do you really think I will go "Yes, that one internet article I happened to read has totally devolved me of my entire life experience and education" or am I more likely to read it as a list of random propaganda, some of which stands well enough on its own, but not buy into what its trying to sell?

You are misjudging your target audience.

You are misjudging your target audience

I have always assumed that most of us are posting for the benefit of lurkers. I'm pretty sure we are not going to change each others minds! I also think these threads are a good place to share interesting Indy stuff from elsewhere.

Sorry if someone has talked about this further upthread - I would usually diligently RTHT but in this case there are 1000s of posts!

What would happen if Scotland gains independence (which is looking more and more likely if the silent majority are in fact Yes voters) but independence does turn out as the Telegraph article above predicts: austerity, cuts, big business moving out, no pound (officially), no EU membership - i.e. worst case scenario. Would Scotland be able to re-join the UK? How would it work?

I'm not Scottish and live in England so I don't have a strong opinion either way, and obviously no say in the matter. But I'm curious as to what might happen ten years' hence.

"I'm just conscious that an iScotland will have limited practical, political experience in some fields of central government (Foreign Affairs, Defence, international money markets etc). There are some Scots in WM with loads of experience in these fields and, at minimum, their contact books would be handy."

If they want to work with HR parties in a consultative capacity, I'd imagine they'd be very welcome. I can't imagine too many people would be delighted to vote for an ex-MP now prospective MSP who campaigned for a no-vote and - now that the WM gravy train has stopped for them - are hot-footing it up to Edinburgh. Especially not the Labour MPs who got 'promoted' to WM from HR. But perhaps I'm wrong. I don't know how many of them would genuinely be interested in working at HR though, I'm sure many would prefer to follow the standard ex-MP route of highly paid consultancies and non-executive directorships...

Why would you even care though if someone changed their username?

You know what I would assume? I would assume that is someone didn't post for a few days, they were busy, probably with work or family, or on holiday, not devise some elaborate plan that they were posting as another user.

How odd.

Checking back in. Thread 5, amazing. If nothing else this subject is engaging me in political thinking which I would never have done before.
Still a 'No' though

Grovel, I see what you're saying about experienced politicians. But those with WM experience of foreign relations (we have Hamza Yousaf, Minister for External Affairs and International Development in HR, btw, so not a total lack of contacts) are experienced in WM's way of doing things, which may not be a Scottish way. Similarly Defence, WM has a tendency to go in with drones and bombs (and with Trident always lurking), I'd like to think iScotland would be a bit more peaceful, perhaps adopting a mediators role. But who knows?

It is a patronising, assumption-making article deedee. I remember even as a 23 year old new graduate in my first job, being asked by a local government councillor to get him a cup of tea. I had no problem telling him that it wasn't my job. Never did my career any harm.

LadyRabbit, if the worst-case scenario pans out, we'll think of something else. No £? We'll set up our own currency. No EU? Perhaps we could look to our northern neighbours. We're not a poor country, as well as the new oil fields being opened up we have ever-increasing whisky exports, tourism, agriculture etc.

I very much doubt we'd seek to rejoin the UK, certainly not in such a short time as a decade, and I doubt even more that they'd have us back!

Would anyone like to hazard a guess at an iScotland foreign policy with respect to everything that's going on in the world right now? Syria and Iraq (WM appears to be canvassing to see if there would be any agreement to further UK involvement - I must admit I can see far more of a reason for involvement in this than there was in Iraq in 2003), Ukraine, refugees from ME/Africa. Would Scotland remove itself from any real participation on the world stage at least until it got it's own house in order?

Is "the grown ups table" Westminster?

Why would you even care though if someone changed their username

I don't. But some others on these threads do.

What would happen if Scotland gains independence (which is looking more and more likely if the silent majority are in fact Yes voters) but independence does turn out as the Telegraph article above predicts: austerity, cuts, big business moving out, no pound (officially), no EU membership - i.e. worst case scenario. Would Scotland be able to re-join the UK? How would it work?

No Scotland wouldn't rejoin and it wouldn't want to - no country has ever tried to rejoin after independence. Scotland is on its own a very wealthy country, in the worst case scenarios it would be slightly less wealthy but still be absolutely fine.