to ask where indyref Part 5 is?

[grovel]

Well?

No, enough posters did that last night frankly.

So is the advice to expand our social circle to include 'successful' 'high earning' women and then we might come to appreciate their superior intelligence and thus revise our misguided, ignorant support of the yes campaign.

May I gently suggest that the wen earning 80k may benefit from widening their social circle.

To be fair, Statistically, some characteristically personal and quite odd insults were being thrown about by LessMissAbs last night about people's intelligence, ambition and feminist credentials vis a vis this issue. That's always going to rile folk.

Celticlass2, I've read all the threads from a neutral perspective. I'm South of the border and still can't work out what's likely to be best for Scotland in the long run.

There has definitely been some needle about whether the "well off" understand or care about the real Scotland from their "naice" Edinburgh homes.

yup, agreed corey- hence my comment that we should stop evaluating people's ability to contribute to their debate based on income. Aimed at both sides - it's wrong either way.

Celtic there have been nasty insinuations about the moral compass of the Yes voters and questions asked about their ability to empathise with ordinary people.

I was upset at the idea last night (I think?) that no voters who had pointed out economic pitfalls would be responsible for any economic wobbles after a Yes vote. It would all be our fault! Then the poster claimed that was just being a "devil's advocate" which implies s/he doesn't believe what s/he writes .

One poster's responses have been along the lines of if you don't like it move, and we'll be glad to be rid of English house buyers anyway. (I found those comments aggressive tbh Numanoid.)

So it's working both ways.

Celtic
I think you should look back through the thread and see who started talking about £80k.
Clue: It wasn't someone who boasted about earning it!

Sorry that was moral compass of No voters!

Shall we just move on?

Comes think tomorrows Sunday Times poll is going to be good or bad for the campaigns? Rupert Murdoch has implied that it will be significant...

SallyingI never mentioned £80,000, or any other figure! I said there were a couple of posters who were obsessed with earnings and status, and trying to derail the thread.

Whoever boasted about their 80k salary should not have declared any figures at all. You will always offend someone by mentioning your salary. Why the need to broadcast what you earn?? I cannot even remember who the poster but it was not necessary.

That particular poster was stirring up trouble last night and it was uncalled for.

I saw murdochs tweet but I'm not sure if he meant the opinion poll or the actual referendum poll -assuming it was the same tweet

One poster's responses have been along the lines of if you don't like it move, and we'll be glad to be rid of English house buyers anyway. (I found those comments aggressive tbh Numanoid.)

I didn't say that. Was it a different poster? That is uncalled for, I haven't read much of the thread because it moves so quickly, so haven't seen anywhere near all of the posts.

I think there is due to be a new opinion poll in the Times tomorrow...

Comes think tomorrows Sunday Times poll is going to be good or bad for the campaigns? Rupert Murdoch has implied that it will be significant...

I don't trust the polls, I think the only poll we can believe is the one on the 18th.
Although it may affect the campaigns, I couldn't say how, but it's very possible. Maybe people wanting to 'join' the side that is apparently ahead? Not sure how likely that is. I think the main effect will be a boost to those whose side is ahead.

Murdoch might be trying to sell papers

and even if it does show Yes in the lead, all other polls (except 1 I think) have shown Yes to be behind so I'm not convinced we've 'lost' it.

Considering No were 6 points ahead only last week, being under 50% would be a pretty drastic change and I really dont believe t

Late to the party here! I was out volunteering on a Yes stall today, lots of great positive chats with decided and undecided voters but some awful rudeness from some no voters. One guy drove past sticking his fingers up then parked up and ran over and actually started trying to put no stickers on us at the stall. He gave on of the elderly guys there a right good shove, he was shouting obscenities (fat nationalist bitch stuck in my head) and luckily one of the other guys on the stall was quite a big guy and he managed to direct him back to his car. Was quite scary.

But I'm doing it all again tomorrow. It's great hearing and answering peoples questions.

Numanoid: I meant that some Yes suppporters had been consistently aggressive too. Not you Numanoid who are always charming.

It's Definately Chelsy! She's hilarious but she definately always brings everything back to money and class and success. And she's very very rude.

There has been banter back and forth, some low shots, some passions running high. I for one have been insulted many many times, I gave up worrying about it a couple of threads ago.

Btw, I did answer the question. It would depend on what the job was.

And Chelsy asks if I work and pay tax? Does anyone not see how derogatory she is? Yes I work and pay tax. The amount varies from year to year. How much is none of your business and also of no consequence to this thread as I for one and going to ignore all references to income and class

and even if it does show Yes in the lead, all other polls (except 1 I think) have shown Yes to be behind so I'm not convinced we've 'lost' it.

Considering No were 6 points ahead only last week, being under 50% would be a pretty drastic change and I really dont believe t

I don't believe any of the polls. One of my reasons is that not a single Yes voter I know has been polled, and the ones I've asked don't know any either. I've noticed a lot of people mentioning the same on social media.
I should say that I technically know one Yes voter who was polled, but was undecided at the time so wouldn't have been added to the Yes percentage.

A lot of people previously polled may have changed sides, or may do so before the election too. Add to that that polls only ever include a certain amount of people - it is chance who you get to answer.

The unofficial polls carried out by bigger pages on FB (asking people to comment with either 'Yes' or 'No', for example, have always shown a huge majority for Yes. The Yes Scotland page has 251k likes on last check, while BT had 179k last time I looked. I know the likes can be from anywhere in the world so is not an accurate indicator, but we have so many different sources saying different things.

FB 'polls' mean diddly squat. Only a certain section of the electorate is on Facebook.

I don't use Facebook or any other type of social media so I can't comment on what's going on out there. DH will occasionally give snippets of what has been on his newsfeed but I don't tend to it seriously.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid If it won't out you (and feel free not to say!) which campaign's stall was it? I've volunteered at one which had similar visitors, and I was also subjected to the attempted stickering amongst other things. Some odd people out there.

Aww thanks BardarbungaBardarbing!

His tweet "Scottish poll represents worldwide disillusion with political leaders and old establishments leaving openings for libertarians and far left "

I agree FB polls aren't accurate either, but every poll seems to show something different. And the general reaction (again, just the one that I see, others may be different) to a lot of polls showing a No lead seems to be "really?!".

I think it's very, very close. Unfortunately, if I had to guess, I would predict an almost 50/50 result in the referendum. I would be really surprised if the winning vote was an outright win.