To think an 11 year sentence for Rosdeep Adekoya is perfectly appropriate

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despite what the tabloids will say?

Yes, No, put fit to stand.

Her former husband has full custody of the elder three now.

How can it be wrong to be compassionate on someone, even if they themselves have shown no compassion? That just creates circles of violence or retribution, the consequences of which we see everyday on the news.

Also, I do not understand the mentality of punishing someone 'for the sake of the victim'. He is dead. I don't think he really cares anymore. I hope he is somewhere happy and amazing with no memory or awareness of what he went through.

I wish people would look at themselves sometimes. No, I wouldn't kill my child, but do I have a temper which I need to control better? Do I get myself into relationships which create a mess? Do I do things to my body which damage my mind (any addiction)? Instead of throwing stones at other people.

The justice system is there for a reason, and I don't have the expertise to judge it. I think it's probably a fair sentence.

Again, conjecture. She may not be alive. That is a likelihood.

than the residents of Cornton Vale will show in thier actions

Is the reputation as bad as I'm guessing then? (Never heard of it)

There is a lot more to this I'm sure that we all know about.

Complexity agree with sleepy

MerryMarigold I didn't say it was wrong. people can feel how they like.
but I do not feel that way.
it isn't about revenge, it is about people paying for their crimes.
a boy is dead.

Expat you think something fatal will befall her in there?

I'm no expert on the justice system, pleading guilty = x sentence etc, but I can't fathom the position of how her a short release will be more beneficial to her surviving children and the stability of their future ?

prepared to be educated on that

it isn't about revenge, it is about people paying for their crimes. a boy is dead.

So you will only be happy when she is too?

And the person who kills her? And on...

There has to be a better way than that. The law may not be perfect but it is better than that!

Life should mean life.

Leslie Grantham's sentencing must have been nearly 50 years ago saints. Different era. And not Scots system.

Holly it does. But there are different tariffs www.gov.uk/types-of-prison-sentence/life-sentences

Sorry, Arsenicy. But it seems to be a good weekend for that link!

My post at 13.49 went over my thoughts on that Zoe

I am aware there is a lot the public don't know. It is just a suspicion of mine that this kind of sentence length will work out better for the DC.

If that consideration actually formed part of the mitigation we don't know about, so much the better.

It is entirely possible, Arsenic. In the past some child killers, male amd female, in there have been subject to very serious attacks by other inmates in the Scottish prison system.

good grief
I have never once said she should die.
read things better ffs
11 years is to short.
I do wonder what this thread would have been like if had been the father not the mother who had killed him.

Sorry, Arsenicy. But it seems to be a good weekend for that link!

How odd to arrive at the same link from too such different subjects

(well different enough)

It seems she plea bargained ... Pleaded guilty to a lesser charge than murder.. Scottish courts & charges are slightly different I think.

I don't think 11 years is long enough really.. I understand how due to feeling depressed she snapped at him but she then went on to beat him further than the original episode of where she snapped & left him to fade away in pain... At one point he was barely conscious & she still didn't get help... Surely this is murder.. She must have known the poor boy was dying.

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I was asking. Your post was a bit too clipped for me to be sure, given the posts that had gone before.

And had it been the father in similar circumstances, I would have asked the same questions.

Surely this is murder..

Clearly Scottish justice system agreed otherwise. Information has been held back which might cast a slightly different light if we knew it.

On first look, it does seem a woefully short amount of time. However, I'm not sure what culpable homicide actually means? Is it the same/similar to diminished responsibility?

Obviously, I have no idea of her mental state at the time - and we have to rely (and hope?) on the fact that she has been subject to full psychiatric reports and the sentence is appropriate - all though that is putting more faith in our legal system than I'd be comfortable with, I guess.

I'm a firm believer in 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'...I think the death penalty is never appropriate, in any circumstances.

I do think, in high-profile cases where the convicted have children, once the trial is over the press shouldn't be allowed to keep dragging it up - on anniversaries, requests for parole etc - that sort of thing serves no purpose but to sell newspapers, and must be hellish for both the victims family and the innocent family of the convicted person.

Considering her attempts to have twins adopted, time DC were in care etc is all in public domain. Also the google searches MH info. It makes me think the withheld info must be more sensitive than that, so fairly significant.

it isn't about revenge, it is about people paying for their crimes.

And you don't think she is paying ENOUGH. That's where the compassion comes in. It's not just about the 11 years. It's the guilt she will live with always, her kids being removed from her and possibly hating her, never being able to have a normal relationship with them or indeed any of her family again. It takes someone with huge emotional resilience to deal with that and move on to live a good life (which I don't think she has). She has been sentenced for life, by her own actions - just not in prison.

There's thousands of children dying right now and no-one is 'paying' for their deaths at all, not even slightly. But that is another thread.