To think an 11 year sentence for Rosdeep Adekoya is perfectly appropriate

[ArsenicyOldFace]

despite what the tabloids will say?

I do think, in high-profile cases where the convicted have children, once the trial is over the press shouldn't be allowed to keep dragging it up - on anniversaries, requests for parole etc - that sort of thing serves no purpose but to sell newspapers, and must be hellish for both the victims family and the innocent family of the convicted person.

Very good point. Why can't there be a news blackout for the benefit of the DC? A blanket injunction? Bigger things have been arranged for released killers.

Is there really a public interest argument that could prevent it?

Culpable Homicide is the illegal killing of a person without an intention to kill.

I think it's what under english law would equate to manslaughter.

Cross reference the John Lennon's murderer thread for meejah interest and headline writing - blech!

Oh grief - is it in chat Nomama?

Sometimes people don't post longer posts if they are on a phone.

I was involved in a high profile enquiry where the accused pled guilty to CH, and forums like this were having similar threads and there was uproar.

However, I can safely say that the public knew very little of the case and the charges were thoroughly examined by the crown office before that decision was made. The family of the deceased was also in consultation with the crown and whilst I might not necessarily have agreed with the outcome, I could see it was in the interests of justice to be resolved like that.

We, as public, only know the tiny tip of this iceberg, let's not pretend we know better than the very people who knew the case inside out.

I know this is probably a really bad example. But say you repeatedly told your child not to touch the oven. They did. They got burned and it really, really hurt. Would you then feel the need to remove TV from them for a week because they had done something wrong? OK, so I know this example doesn't involve hurting anyone else, but I'm trying to show that there is a payment for the crime even if it is not imposed by someone else.

There are consequences to her actions. Consequences which will impact on the rest of her life and which she will be paying for for the rest of her life. No doubt this will also impact her mental health pretty heavily. As long as she is not dangerous to society, I don't see why she needs to be imprisoned as a 'payment'.

Merry, are you seriously suggesting that she should not have been imprisoned?

Yes, I think so, Arsenicy. It may have disappeared, I haven't seen it for a while, but I was on it over the weekend. Not in my lists....

Expat, that is why I was asking - if you meant me!

My post at 13.49 went over my thoughts on that Zoe

Ah I hadn't seen that, sorry.

It all depends on how their feelings about her develop over the years I suppose, as to whether they will care more about the occasional painful reminder of what she's done weighed against the disruption and turmoil when she's released. It will be completely different for the youngest who hopefully will have a better chance at being protected ?

However, I can safely say that the public knew very little of the case and the charges were thoroughly examined by the crown office before that decision was made. The family of the deceased was also in consultation with the crown and whilst I might not necessarily have agreed with the outcome, I could see it was in the interests of justice to be resolved like that.

Glad to hear these things do make sense from the inside.

im not seeing how she got culpable homicide not murder? she knew it was wrong and tried to cover it up that suggests murder to me

Exactly!!!!

She waited for 72 hours for the poor little angel to die. She had all that time to realise that she could get help for him, but didn't. How can that equate to cupable homicide/manslaughter?????? She then went on to disposing of his body miles away and report him missing.

I remember constantly watching the news and googling hoping to hear that he was found safe and well. I will say that I thought things were not as she had reported, some things did not add up at all.

I think that 11 years is not enough at all and am disappointed that she was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge to avoid a trial and the media that would have gone alongside it, she was not frightened of using the media to cover her tracks at the time.

I sincerely hope that her remaining children are supported to go on and live a loved and positive life.

Maybe Zoe. Perhaps my reading of how things are likely to go post-release is flawed.

I am imagining she will get some kind of help relocating and sinking into oblivion and that she will be easier for them to ignore then (but also still out there should they want contact or confrontation).

She will serve half of that - no, 5/6 years isn't long enough. Her surviving children need to be adults before her release is even considered IMO

Not exactly! The judge had all of that information... it woul dhave been taken into consideration.

Accepting the lesser plea is legal. Not all laws seem fair.

We, the public, do not have all of the information, nor do we know the ins and outs of the law. If anyone feels really strongly about it, campaign for a law change rather than against an individual.

I'm so sad for those poor children. I hope they get all the help they need.

YABU. Life for that crime, not 11 years

Merry because her freedom to do everyday things should be curtailed too.

Personally I don't believe it's enough. If someone else had done this and then stuffed the body in a suitcase would they have got 11 yrs?

It's worse because it was the mother. Let her rot in hell, this wasn't a one off incident, it was over a number of months.

Please let's not talk about society letting her down, or not enough support. She should hang her head in shame...

So many assumptions "she's in a terrible place" "she must be ill" and the best yet " she will have to live with the guilt of what she did for ever".....I have no idea whether she was ill enough at the actual time of her crime for it to be seen that she wasn't responsible for her actions but as I said on the other thread lots people can't get their heads around a Mother killing her child, the person that brings them into the world and is meant to love and protect them.

Merry how exactly do you know she will feel "guilty".....she may not. Her actions at the time certainly seemed to suggest she cared more about herself than her son, whom she didn't love. And regardless of length of sentence you can't kill your child and not expect to be punished, that us what the law and justice system is all about. Or we would live lawless.

Hand cream I'm interested in why you think it's worse because it was the mother and not the father? A parent is a parent surely, I don't see the relevance if gender.! But I do think a lot of people think like that and find it harder to think about a mother killing their child than a Father.

11 years is long enough in comparison to similar crimes. Overall no it is not long enough.

No it is not enough I dont think she should be released but we dont have life in the uk so it will have to do.

It shouldn't matter what sex the person is. A parent killing their child, whether a mother or father, should be sentenced to the same sentence. In reality, mothers usually get longer sentences than fathers. That is wrong.

Merry she beat her child to death beause he was sick on his bed he was ill and she hated her little boy so much she beat him for throwing up. This womans behaviour has no excuse there is no reasoning.