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How can I ever forgive my mother in law?

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Rosebear · 14/08/2014 21:59

Ok, this is long. And goes back over a few years. It's all re surfacing now as we are having another baby in 2 weeks.

My MIL was awful when I had my first child 5 years ago. For the last 2 weeks I've been re living the first year of my DD's life and can't stop feeling massive anger towards my MIL. I repressed my feelings back then, thought it was me being unreasonable, and now I am so angry she took advantage when I was vulnerable. Completely manipulated me as I was trying to find my feet as a new mum.

Brief history is my DH and I had a baby 18 mths after meeting. We knew we were meant for each other the day we met, and DH proposed and asked me to move in within 3 months. I chose not to move in then (felt it was too soon) but did move in when I was 3 months pregnant. We remained engaged for a few years and married after our daughter was born.

DH has a big family, 5 siblings. 2 older sisters with no children/un married/early 40's. Our daughter is the first grandchild on both sides. In my family I lost my mum to mental illness at 16 and my dad died in my 20's. I have no siblings but am close with my large extended family.

My MIL's behaviour changed when I became pregnant. It began with inviting herself to our scans and assuming she would be in the delivery room. She came to the scans and sat holding DH's hand and didn't utter a word to me. I felt like rent a womb! She knew we didn't want to find out sex but pointed to screen saying "it's definitely a boy, I can see something!".

She was not taking no for an answer on being there at the birth and DH would not stand up to her. He won't stand up to his parents, and is deeply entrenched/conditioned to his family way of life (they all overstep boundaries massively). So we agreed he would not tell her when I went into labour and only call her after baby was born. She turned up at the hospitial immediately, crying, in a state, picked up my daughter from her cot without asking me and held her, weeping, ignoring me.

I went home that night. The next day MIL was over, and spent the next few weeks crying to everyone that I was 'keeping her away from her grandchild' because we said we only wanted visitors every other day. I had a very traumatic delivery and was damaged, bleeding and all sorts. I felt scared and threatened by my MIL, she talked about my baby as though she was the mother. My MIL still visited every single day for the first week and wanted to do bedtime every night.

Over the first weeks I had massive pressure from DH's sister and father to 'give baby to MIL'. She would never communicate with me directly, and always ignored me when I talked about baby's routine or how I was doing things. She is a mother of 5 and was insulted I would even dare to tell her about my way! She wanted sleep overs at her house, first bath, bedtime bottles almost every night, just way too much for me. She wanted a baby seat in her car - where was she going to take her?! She bought all the first clothes, literally everything down to nappies and nappy cream. She chose christening outfit and first birthday outfit. I let her do all this to keep the peace. She openly disliked the name we chose for DD and refused to pronounce it properly for a few weeks. It's a very easy name to pronounce.

After a couple of months I was pressured into letting MIL look after DD once a week for the day. I never felt liked by her or accepted by her and thought if I do this maybe she will like me and we can forge a relationship. She always told me repeatedly and very loudly that she loved me like her daughter but it was odd, I never felt she was genuine.

She completely ignored my wishes for DD's care on these days - I brought her food, she binned it and made something else. Non organic, never any vegetables and loads of salt. She co slept with DD against my express wishes at nap times, took her to visit/be passed around her friends and family without asking or even telling me until after the event. She refused to let me say goodbye to DD in the mornings, always pulling her away or walking into another room telling me to 'just go, it's ok'. In the evenings when I went to collect I was put under pressure to let DD stay the night and for me to come back in the morning. I did this once, and the next day they really pressured me into leaving DD for another night. I cried the whole of the second night but felt I couldn't say no. DH, his mum, dad and sisters were all telling me I should enjoy the break and let my poor MIL have some time with her GD.

After about a year I stopped the childcare arrangements, I finally got the courage up. I suffered huge fallouts with her family after this. SIL asking why I was taking DD away from MIL etc. MIL was distraught and cried for weeks. Even though she was still seeing DD 2-3 times a week, doing her baths, dinner time, bedtime story, bottle.

I hope you're still with me ... Almost there! An ongoing problem is that my MIL never ever says 'no' to my DD. My DD could hit her or say something rude, and she says 'that's ok darling!'. I have asked my MIL repeatedly not to do this but she ignores me. DD cottoned on to GM being a soft touch when she was about 18months, and always behaves badly as soon as we are in her presence. This means I have to be really strict and really discipline DD in front of my MIL. I hate doing this because my MIL takes this to mean I don't have a positive or close relationship with my daughter. She has said this to my SIL.

So in the end, all of this history has resulted in me feeling as though I didn't and still haven't bonded well with my DD. I was so stressed and upset by all the emotional blackmail from my MIL in the first year and it still lingers on today. I feel my MIL thinks she is closer to my DD than I am. My DD flocks to her which makes me feel worse. I know this is partly because MIL never says 'no', not even to 4 bags of crisps or 10 biscuits! DD is told it's 'their little secret' and not to tell mummy.

Now I have another baby on the way and feel anxious and scared about my MIL taking advantage again when I am vulnerable post birth. Every member of DH's family believe my MIL is the best mother/GM in the world. I feel she has manipulated me, knowing there are no maternal GP's around to challenge her. If I say no to her, she cries or goes all quiet and tearfully tells me she just wants to help and loves me like a daughter.

I can see clearly what she did when I had my DD now, and I feel so much anger towards her that I don't even want her to spend any time with my DD or even cuddle my new baby.

How do I get over this? Telling her is not an option. As I've said if she is refused she cries and tells me she loves me.

I'm sorry this is the longest opening thread ever. Felt I needed to write it all down for clarity.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 12:41

IAmSlave, I think we have the same IL's. Almost identical scenarios, even the private schooling. Which I don't really agree with anyway.

I'm lucky to have had so much support on this thread, a massive thank you to everyone who has posted with much needed advice and voices of reason. Thank goodness for Mumsnetters!

I agree DH is deeply conditioned, but he is also inclined to take the path of least resistance. I do resent him for not putting me first on so many occasions.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 12:44

I also wish he had spoken to his mother himself about many of these problems, instead of listening to me and telling me to speak to her (knowing how futile it would be and knowing I would be the bad guy and he remains golden boy).

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aprilanne · 15/08/2014 12:58

oh rosebear i feel for you .my mil was also an over bearing old cow .god it would take a lifetime to explain .but the main problem is your husband .i threatened to divorce mine if he did not stand up to his mother .to be honest it gets easier with each child .by the time i had ds3 i was like no i am the mother here you have had your shot ..tell your hubby you need his support or else .

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:04

Just to try and respond to a few more posts, Admiraltea we also sound as though we have the same MIL. I can't believe it had to end in your relationship but glad you and your DD are stronger for it.

Uselessness, exactly that on the family front. It seems lovely at first that they are so close, then feels overbearing, then you realise they are all co-dependent on each other and have no boundaries and it's all so unhealthy. None of the adult children feel able to live their own lives.

Meerka, I am quite resilient. I had to learn to be from my teenage years and 20's not having my parents to lean on. My MIL is probably annoyed she hasn't been able to break me to the extent she would have liked. Ie: have full autonomy over her GD and be the matriarch in my family as well as her own.

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IamSlave · 15/08/2014 13:14

My MIL is probably annoyed she hasn't been able to break me to the extent she would have liked. Ie: have full autonomy over her GD and be the matriarch in my family as well as her own

Annoyed yes but also probably somewhere inside afraid she has lost control. I am no physcologist but I do feel with these strong matriarchs one reason they go into over drive when babies are born is they feel they are loosing their grip, their son will have new focus...

It would be fine if indeed their childs child just became another one of their children, bossing both around...but they can sense the woman isn't going to play ball.

Our problem has been whilst trying to deal with the problems, from pils, and mil, we have had sudden death to deal with as well, my family issues and problems with our neighbours, it makes me hate pils even more that they created these stupid pointless issues...and added to our stress.

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:15

I threatened to leave too aprilanne and I meant every word.

The way I would like things to be going forward ... and this may mellow over time but at this point I am far too angry to be more accommodating.

I want no direct contact with MIL or FIL on phone, email, text.

My DD and new baby are never to be left alone in their company unless I am there.sadly I don't trust DH with this task.

They are not welcome in our home unless invited. No unannounced visits and no making plans without asking me first.

I would like that my DH stands up and says something to their passive aggressive comments immediately instead of letting it slide.

I will take DC to their home only when absolutely necessary. I hate doing this though because it's so stressful. My FIL takes DD to other rooms and asks her who she loves more, her mum or GP's, and he tells her she should go and live with them. My MIL takes DD off upstairs and says goodness knows what to her, I think she just mainly gives her sweets and presents and tells her it's their secret.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:18

Awful, IAmSlave. It's all such a selfish act ... They only seem to be able to think as far as themselves and their own feelings. Never how their childish behaviour affects the people they love.

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georgieporgie1 · 15/08/2014 13:19

YADNBU
I get similar to this from my own dm, although nothing like as severe. I upset her enormously at the start of her gp career, and still do a bit, as I have decided how often she will see them, and I stick to it rigidly. (In our case no more often than fortnightly for similar reasons to you)

It's not easy, but calmly and consistently say that as they are your children, you make the rules, you decide what they eat, who they stay with and for how long, and how they are brought up (ie disciplined).

You just have to be really tough and not care what the other members of the family think. It's none of their business - do you care more about what they think, or your own relationship with your children (ie do be really selfish!) It has been easier for me as dh has been a lot more supportive than it sounds like yours has been. It is really hard, but I wish you luck...

prettybird · 15/08/2014 13:38

Your dd at 5 is now old enough to begin to have the discussions with her about "secrets" and that no-one but no-one should make you keep secrets and that it is wrong to keep things from Mummy and Daddy.

You can explain to her that there are "good" secrets, for example, when you are not telling someone about a present that you are going to give them and "bad" secrets, when you know that your Mummy and Daddy wouldn't like it.

I think admiraltea's idea for special story times and creating special new shared memories both as a family unit and 1:1 with your dd is a brilliant one. :)

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:44

I love those ideas too. The story times my DD will really love.

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IamSlave · 15/08/2014 13:46
  • Rosebear Fri 15-Aug-14 13:15:55

Reading this post was just thinking all sounds good and extreme which is what you need to counter balance their extremism but then read this:My FIL takes DD to other rooms and asks her who she loves more, her mum or GP's, and he tells her she should go and live with them

No no no no NOOOOO.

Not on.

I wouldn't expose a child to this.

Small children especially need to feel secure and someone undermining their parents like this and putting doubt in their minds is not re in forcing stability.

I would 100% not expose child to this.

Your DH needs to wake up, and fast.

I thought about leaving too, started to look at properties and sort money out. So sad to see DH face and that it was his parents who are supposed to love him that could see our marriage break up.

IamSlave · 15/08/2014 13:47

You can explain to her that there are "good" secrets, for example, when you are not telling someone about a present that you are going to give them and "bad" secrets, when you know that your Mummy and Daddy wouldn't like it.

Yes but even then stress only when daddy says about present or mummy, no other secrets.

IamSlave · 15/08/2014 13:48

do you care more about what they think, or your own relationship with your children (ie do be really selfish!)

Its really hard to bear the brunt of a whole families blame and resentment, but keep reminding yourself of this coment. The KEY relationship here is you and your DD ( and of course dh)

MrsBeeZed · 15/08/2014 13:52

Fuck that shit. Not very constructive, I apologise.

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:57

Yes it's truly awful what he says to her. Thankfully my DD says us, but does get confused with the constant asking to her to lair with them. She wants to please them and they have a technique of asking her something again and again until they get the answer they want.

I have called him on it and they all minimise, roll their eyes at me (!) for making a drama out of nothing. Say he is just joking, having some fun, it's harmless.

As far as not caring what they all think anymore, I think I am there. I will still feel infuriated with the pressure laid on by the rest of the family, and I'm sure I'll have moments of feeling this is a hard and lonely path. But no, I don't care what they think anymore. They are a family of very dysfunctional adults and I do not want to live according to their warped views.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:58

Basically, I will become the woman that ruined, destroyed my MIL's happiness and broke her heart! Yes it will be that dramatic! No one will remember she has never, ever been a happy woman.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 13:59

meant to say, in their eyes

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Chiana · 15/08/2014 14:22

Rose bear, can you move house so you're further away geographically?

daisychain01 · 15/08/2014 14:30

She has previously gone quiet for weeks and weeks I bet that was nice GrinGrinGrinGrin

Rose, maybe try some Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, for yourself. Just as a way of re-casting this whole situation in your own mind, and being able to make your anxiety turn into more positive energy for you and your DD. Come to terms with the past, then move forward from it. Take the power, don't let your MIL keep it (in your mind, that is).

If you can (I know it's hard), try not to fall into the trap of "paralysis by analysis", spending emotional energy wondering whether any difficulties with DD bonding was as a result of your MIL.

Honestly, at this stage, far better to put your energy into creating your own bond with DD, show her you are the person she needs to take notice of, if you need to discipline her and guide her how to do things. Children enjoy boundaries, so even if DD responded to the immediacy of your MIL letting her do what she wants, in fact she will be more responsive long term to the boundaries you set her.

At least you have a lot of support on here, so you know you ADNBU - hope that gives you reassurance!

Admiraltea · 15/08/2014 14:31

Just keep spinning it back to your daughter. The "adults" will have to just get on with it.

You have a huge amount more power than you realise and the perfect opportunity now to radically change your bond and relationship with your daughter (sleep deprivation permitting).

I have seriously been there, convinced my daughter hated me and that she loved mil more and that the time I had lost had made this pattern permanent but it seriously isn't.

I don't remember what I was reading at the time or which of my very wise friends was giving me advice but when dd2 arrived I was determined that mummy was who I was and I was not going to cede that position to anyone. So I went relentlessly on a "lovebomb" (love that phrase) with my daughter and whenever the bollocks about "who do you love more" went on I gave her permission to say whatever she wanted because the important thing was that I didn't care what she said because I loved her so much that was enough for me...what they are asking for is conditional and I had to just offer her love and anything in return is wonderful...I never ever demand because that's what proper mums do. Unconditional.

I am not saying it has been at all easy and dd1 is still close to ex mil but she finds the constant gift giving with huge emotional strings attached very draining now. We have had serious fallings out over the years due to the completely opposite messages she has been fed where dd1 has said some truly dreadful things I am assuming to see if she is safe enough to be a child and not responsible for my emotions as she is of her grandparents but it has been my job to put in the boundaries and actually parent her.

If your dh is prepared to go to counselling that is a very good thing. Mine didn't.

daisychain01 · 15/08/2014 14:33

I will become the woman that ruined, destroyed my MIL's happiness and broke her heart umm, and their point being??

If you get so much of a hint of that, then the best thing is look them square in the eye and say calmly:-

"never mind, she'll get over it"

and walk away before they have the chance to react

NewtRipley · 15/08/2014 14:37

I rarely swear on here, but this is a fucking nightmare. Seriously warped.

Admiraltea · 15/08/2014 14:42

What daisychain said was what I was trying to say!!

www.wikiart.org/en/mary-cassatt/young-mother-and-two-children-1905

See I can be a bit literal so when I need to reframe how I want things to be I need a picture in my head..this isn't mine but seems to fit what you want.

IamSlave · 15/08/2014 14:47

Basically, I will become the woman that ruined, destroyed my MIL's happiness and broke her heart!

Your not alone op there is a whole tribe of us on here.

Mine even have the gaul to say this when I met dh they didnt even seem to like him, let alone have anything near a great relationship with him.

I used to care, I used to get upset. Wider relatives would arrange with DH to see us, at our house, then mysteriously the venue would have to be PILS. Even when DH said no, I am not going there, they persisted.

Now they get ignored! I don't care anymore.

Your on the right road. Agree with Daisy in the positive energy part too.

You can re dress all these problems

TwoLeftSocks · 15/08/2014 15:03

Agree with posters about making a big new baby fuss now with your DD, after all, she's going to have the most important job of all, being the Big Sister. You could start having chats with her now (if you haven't already) about all the important jobs she'll have, like teaching the baby how to smile, and maybe arranging toys in readiness, etc.

Might be a useful way of responding to your DD if she asks why she's seeing her grandma less, of if your MIL lays it on to her that she's desperately missing her etc. Quite possible that she'll get to you via your DD if you've toughened up.

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