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How can I ever forgive my mother in law?

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Rosebear · 14/08/2014 21:59

Ok, this is long. And goes back over a few years. It's all re surfacing now as we are having another baby in 2 weeks.

My MIL was awful when I had my first child 5 years ago. For the last 2 weeks I've been re living the first year of my DD's life and can't stop feeling massive anger towards my MIL. I repressed my feelings back then, thought it was me being unreasonable, and now I am so angry she took advantage when I was vulnerable. Completely manipulated me as I was trying to find my feet as a new mum.

Brief history is my DH and I had a baby 18 mths after meeting. We knew we were meant for each other the day we met, and DH proposed and asked me to move in within 3 months. I chose not to move in then (felt it was too soon) but did move in when I was 3 months pregnant. We remained engaged for a few years and married after our daughter was born.

DH has a big family, 5 siblings. 2 older sisters with no children/un married/early 40's. Our daughter is the first grandchild on both sides. In my family I lost my mum to mental illness at 16 and my dad died in my 20's. I have no siblings but am close with my large extended family.

My MIL's behaviour changed when I became pregnant. It began with inviting herself to our scans and assuming she would be in the delivery room. She came to the scans and sat holding DH's hand and didn't utter a word to me. I felt like rent a womb! She knew we didn't want to find out sex but pointed to screen saying "it's definitely a boy, I can see something!".

She was not taking no for an answer on being there at the birth and DH would not stand up to her. He won't stand up to his parents, and is deeply entrenched/conditioned to his family way of life (they all overstep boundaries massively). So we agreed he would not tell her when I went into labour and only call her after baby was born. She turned up at the hospitial immediately, crying, in a state, picked up my daughter from her cot without asking me and held her, weeping, ignoring me.

I went home that night. The next day MIL was over, and spent the next few weeks crying to everyone that I was 'keeping her away from her grandchild' because we said we only wanted visitors every other day. I had a very traumatic delivery and was damaged, bleeding and all sorts. I felt scared and threatened by my MIL, she talked about my baby as though she was the mother. My MIL still visited every single day for the first week and wanted to do bedtime every night.

Over the first weeks I had massive pressure from DH's sister and father to 'give baby to MIL'. She would never communicate with me directly, and always ignored me when I talked about baby's routine or how I was doing things. She is a mother of 5 and was insulted I would even dare to tell her about my way! She wanted sleep overs at her house, first bath, bedtime bottles almost every night, just way too much for me. She wanted a baby seat in her car - where was she going to take her?! She bought all the first clothes, literally everything down to nappies and nappy cream. She chose christening outfit and first birthday outfit. I let her do all this to keep the peace. She openly disliked the name we chose for DD and refused to pronounce it properly for a few weeks. It's a very easy name to pronounce.

After a couple of months I was pressured into letting MIL look after DD once a week for the day. I never felt liked by her or accepted by her and thought if I do this maybe she will like me and we can forge a relationship. She always told me repeatedly and very loudly that she loved me like her daughter but it was odd, I never felt she was genuine.

She completely ignored my wishes for DD's care on these days - I brought her food, she binned it and made something else. Non organic, never any vegetables and loads of salt. She co slept with DD against my express wishes at nap times, took her to visit/be passed around her friends and family without asking or even telling me until after the event. She refused to let me say goodbye to DD in the mornings, always pulling her away or walking into another room telling me to 'just go, it's ok'. In the evenings when I went to collect I was put under pressure to let DD stay the night and for me to come back in the morning. I did this once, and the next day they really pressured me into leaving DD for another night. I cried the whole of the second night but felt I couldn't say no. DH, his mum, dad and sisters were all telling me I should enjoy the break and let my poor MIL have some time with her GD.

After about a year I stopped the childcare arrangements, I finally got the courage up. I suffered huge fallouts with her family after this. SIL asking why I was taking DD away from MIL etc. MIL was distraught and cried for weeks. Even though she was still seeing DD 2-3 times a week, doing her baths, dinner time, bedtime story, bottle.

I hope you're still with me ... Almost there! An ongoing problem is that my MIL never ever says 'no' to my DD. My DD could hit her or say something rude, and she says 'that's ok darling!'. I have asked my MIL repeatedly not to do this but she ignores me. DD cottoned on to GM being a soft touch when she was about 18months, and always behaves badly as soon as we are in her presence. This means I have to be really strict and really discipline DD in front of my MIL. I hate doing this because my MIL takes this to mean I don't have a positive or close relationship with my daughter. She has said this to my SIL.

So in the end, all of this history has resulted in me feeling as though I didn't and still haven't bonded well with my DD. I was so stressed and upset by all the emotional blackmail from my MIL in the first year and it still lingers on today. I feel my MIL thinks she is closer to my DD than I am. My DD flocks to her which makes me feel worse. I know this is partly because MIL never says 'no', not even to 4 bags of crisps or 10 biscuits! DD is told it's 'their little secret' and not to tell mummy.

Now I have another baby on the way and feel anxious and scared about my MIL taking advantage again when I am vulnerable post birth. Every member of DH's family believe my MIL is the best mother/GM in the world. I feel she has manipulated me, knowing there are no maternal GP's around to challenge her. If I say no to her, she cries or goes all quiet and tearfully tells me she just wants to help and loves me like a daughter.

I can see clearly what she did when I had my DD now, and I feel so much anger towards her that I don't even want her to spend any time with my DD or even cuddle my new baby.

How do I get over this? Telling her is not an option. As I've said if she is refused she cries and tells me she loves me.

I'm sorry this is the longest opening thread ever. Felt I needed to write it all down for clarity.

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Gossipgirladdict · 14/08/2014 22:22

Oh, OP... Rarely have I read such a sad story. Please don't allow this clearly unhealthy situation to continue. If you don't feel strong enough to go NC with your MIL (which I think you would be perfectly entitled to do so) please ensure she is not allowed to spend any time with your DC's without you there. This is what I did with my MIL when she tried to overstep the boundaries after DD1 was born (1st DGC on DH's side). She soon got the message that she couldn't do anything I didn't agree with.
She has turned out to be a really lovely GM to our (now 2) DD's.

People MIL's like this need really strong boundaries. Please get your DH to support you. This cannot continue.

Absofrigginlootly · 14/08/2014 22:24

Sorry, my first link wasn't right...ipad being weird!!

Here it is again
www.amazon.com/Toxic-In-Laws-Strategies-Protecting-Marriage/dp/0060507853

Flowers for what she (and your DH!!) have put you thru. Hope everything goes well with your new baby

SavoyCabbage · 14/08/2014 22:24

That was upsetting just to read, never mind to go through. Thanks

Yes, your dh is a huge problem. He needs to know how you feel and he needs to support you and be on your side. I would be pushing to move away I think.

Rosebear · 14/08/2014 22:25

I am angry with DH too. I didn't always tell him at the time because I was wary of criticising his mother. We had only been together for 18 months.

Plus it was all wrapped up in such a manipulative way, it was all an act of love from my very loving MIL who would do anything for us. I am excusing him to an extent because I know he and his siblings can't/won't face the manipulation that comes from both of their parents. He sees it now, very clearly. His siblings are all still entrenched so we still get pressure from his sisters to let my MIL have more presence in DD's life.

I think my MIL just wants to be a mother again but to my DD, and I have felt threatened by this from day one.

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LindyHemming · 14/08/2014 22:27

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BookABooSue · 14/08/2014 22:27

This isn't about your MIL taking advantage because there is no maternal GM. It's about her taking advantage because no-one says 'no' to her. Yes your DH should man up but even if he won't, you have to put your foot down.

You need to be firm. If you're struggling to do this on your own then get your health visitor/midwife on board. Tell them how stressed you are. Tell them you feel it impacted on your relationship with your DD, and then you can tell MIL 'no because the midwife/health visitor says so'.

Rafflesway · 14/08/2014 22:28

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Aeroflotgirl · 14/08/2014 22:28

Blooming heck where do I start, move far away from the lot of em as possible. Regain control back, they are your kids not hers, she sounds incredibly toxic and disrespectful! Your dh needs to stand up for you!

hollie84 · 14/08/2014 22:29

I would want to move away to be honest. Or if that's not possible, severely limit contact with your DD.

Midori1999 · 14/08/2014 22:30

Oh, OP, I really feel for you. This is similar to how my grandmother behaved when I was a baby (we lived with my Grandparents) and my Mother to this day hates my grandmother for it. She will never be able to forgive her.

Being a mother myself I can begin to understand how you must have felt and my heart breaks for you. You need to make your DH see how wrong your MIL's behaviour was and his was too and make absolutely certain this won't happen again. Stop caring about your MIL's feelings, she clearly only cares about herself.

nicename · 14/08/2014 22:31

For some reason I assume MIL is, what Greek, Spanish...? Cultural differences?

You have to practice 'this is my baby and I shall do it this day' and 'in your day, things were different' and 'its my time to be a mum - you've had your time'. DH needs to understad too that he must back you up 100%.

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:33

Rose You have my sympathies too, My MIL ruined the happiest days of my life, the first week of my new born child.

I carried the upset for a long time and still do because they are days and times I cannot get back.

Second time round she was not even told, I could not risk the same problems happening, unfortunately she did find out and sadly there was a smidgeon of drama but nothing like first time round.

I believe what your dh family are doing is called being flying monkeys, google it.

I dont know what to suggest about the imminent birth, its clear you need space.

I would take every measure to keep her away, not tell them or anyone from his family when going into labour? Saying your all not well to keep them away?

Lie, cheat, beat them back with a stick, go and rent somewhere for two weeks to get away? Anything, anything but let her in.

Then I would suggest relationship counselling to talk about the impact of them on you as a couple and family, this would help shore up your dh, and help him see things from another perspective.

good luck with the birth, have the courage to stick your convictions

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:35

on another thread someone was saying your not responsible for her happiness or indeed her misery

Gossipgirladdict · 14/08/2014 22:35

The thing is, if MIL has unsupervised access to your DC's, then she can do exactly as she pleases. At least if you are present then you can put a stop to any really batshit unreasonable behaviour.
Please, please stop letting your MIL spend time with your DD without you there. She doesn't deserve that privilege and you don't deserve to be treated so badly...

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:35

also as far as emails, phone calls, and texts, just dont ansa them. tell them you need space.

MollyWhuppie · 14/08/2014 22:35

That sounds so awful and you sound like a flippin' saint!!

I think you really need to try and let go of the need to be liked by your in laws - it can be quite liberating! Just remain strong and don't worry if MIL gets all dramatic and tearful - she will get over it.

You just need to set out the boundaries and stick to them. Don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with, and don't worry about the fall out.

It really doesn't matter if she has a strop or dislikes you for it. You cannot sacrifice your own happiness and well-being for her unreasonable demands!

Fizzyplonk · 14/08/2014 22:37

I think you'll get there. Twice reading this I've had to double check it wasn't an old post of mine. I'd also only been with my DH when I became pregnant.
It's not long in terms of getting to know ILs foibles(!)

With this baby you'll be prepared. You can predict what she'll do. You'll know if it will be couched in 'poor me' or 'I'm just trying it help' terms.
Think of a situation and think of your strategy.
Eg. Mil wants for a day- oh no I'll treasure the time with them as it will pass so quickly.
Mil snatches- wait 2 minutes and snatch back 'time for a cuddle with mummy'
Worried about postnatal ward- brief staff to get rid of her after 15 minutes/tell her you've been advised to focus on bonding/feeding.

You won't be on a back foot this time. It's hard having to learn to put these boundaries in place with someone else's family- but you can do it. I'd also seriously consider breast feeding.....(after first couple months it's easy)

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:39

BTW we had secrets too and DD has been told that no one should keep a secret from mummy or daddy, no hiding sweets, keeping secrets etc, none and that no one should ask her to keep a secret either.

hopefully she wont have any one on one in future but you dh needs to get her in line and say - no secrets, to be honest, its good practise anyway....even from close family memebers, no secrets.

Pugaboo · 14/08/2014 22:39

Your MIL might want to be a mother again - BUT SHE ISN'T. You are your DC's mother and only you.

Start doing things how YOU want.

Sod your SILs. Sod your manipulative MIL. Sod anyone else who tries to make you feel guilty.

Goldmandra · 14/08/2014 22:39

I'm not sure I could ever forgive my MIL or my DH for this.

I like the PP's suggestion of counselling for you and your DH. You need to establish some ground rules and talk through in detail how he will make sure they are maintained.

You cannot allow your MIL to muscle in this time round. You and your DH need to work as a team to protect your family unit. Your DH may even need to role-play saying no to his DM and turning her away at the front door.

My philosophy on GPs is that they only get to spoil their DGCs if they don't get to see them more than once a week. Otherwise being spoiled becomes a way of life and does the child and the parents no favours. If your MIL can't start behaving more responsibly around your DD you will have to reduce the amount of time she spends with her. As your DD gets older you will find it harder to implement this so establish a pattern that is manageable for you now.

I think you should show your DH this thread and ask him how he is going to protect you from this abuse this time, rather than collaborating with his family in perpetrating it as he has done up until now.

YellowTulips · 14/08/2014 22:39

As others have said, firstly you need to calmly explain how you feel to DH.

Anticipate he will defend his mother and have key responses ready so you don't get flustered.

The upshot here is that whatever her motivations and intentions, it's not "all about her".

Your family come first and your DH needs to accept that. If he is worried about her being upset I would say "I must have misunderstood you because all I can conclude is that you are more worried about your mothers welfare than mine or your daughter's and the soon to be newborn. I'm sure that isn't the case so let's talk about how we will communicate to MIL what we want to happen".

You are the mother here a quite frankly that top trumps everyone especially wrt to the birth and immediate aftermath.

Be calm, but be firm. Remember you don't have to justify what you want at all - just calmly say "this is what I want to happen and i expect you support me".

Fizzyplonk · 14/08/2014 22:39

Huh I picture a northern wannabe matriarch!!
DH described his gran as a 'real tough matriarch figure' and his mum as 'the polar opposite'!! I nearly choked! She's got him fooled with her caring/helpful facade!!

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:40

it can be quite liberating

Its incredibly liberating.

itsnormalforbridgwater · 14/08/2014 22:41

My excuse for a MIL is the opposite, can't be arsed and isn't interested . She's a witch. However my DH is the same, lovely but fricking spineless. Give him a kick up the arse.

morethanpotatoprints · 14/08/2014 22:42

You need to make them both aware you mean business, write down what you expect if you think they won't take you seriously and then they have a copy to refer to.
tell them both to fuck off in the most direct and polite way you can.