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How can I ever forgive my mother in law?

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Rosebear · 14/08/2014 21:59

Ok, this is long. And goes back over a few years. It's all re surfacing now as we are having another baby in 2 weeks.

My MIL was awful when I had my first child 5 years ago. For the last 2 weeks I've been re living the first year of my DD's life and can't stop feeling massive anger towards my MIL. I repressed my feelings back then, thought it was me being unreasonable, and now I am so angry she took advantage when I was vulnerable. Completely manipulated me as I was trying to find my feet as a new mum.

Brief history is my DH and I had a baby 18 mths after meeting. We knew we were meant for each other the day we met, and DH proposed and asked me to move in within 3 months. I chose not to move in then (felt it was too soon) but did move in when I was 3 months pregnant. We remained engaged for a few years and married after our daughter was born.

DH has a big family, 5 siblings. 2 older sisters with no children/un married/early 40's. Our daughter is the first grandchild on both sides. In my family I lost my mum to mental illness at 16 and my dad died in my 20's. I have no siblings but am close with my large extended family.

My MIL's behaviour changed when I became pregnant. It began with inviting herself to our scans and assuming she would be in the delivery room. She came to the scans and sat holding DH's hand and didn't utter a word to me. I felt like rent a womb! She knew we didn't want to find out sex but pointed to screen saying "it's definitely a boy, I can see something!".

She was not taking no for an answer on being there at the birth and DH would not stand up to her. He won't stand up to his parents, and is deeply entrenched/conditioned to his family way of life (they all overstep boundaries massively). So we agreed he would not tell her when I went into labour and only call her after baby was born. She turned up at the hospitial immediately, crying, in a state, picked up my daughter from her cot without asking me and held her, weeping, ignoring me.

I went home that night. The next day MIL was over, and spent the next few weeks crying to everyone that I was 'keeping her away from her grandchild' because we said we only wanted visitors every other day. I had a very traumatic delivery and was damaged, bleeding and all sorts. I felt scared and threatened by my MIL, she talked about my baby as though she was the mother. My MIL still visited every single day for the first week and wanted to do bedtime every night.

Over the first weeks I had massive pressure from DH's sister and father to 'give baby to MIL'. She would never communicate with me directly, and always ignored me when I talked about baby's routine or how I was doing things. She is a mother of 5 and was insulted I would even dare to tell her about my way! She wanted sleep overs at her house, first bath, bedtime bottles almost every night, just way too much for me. She wanted a baby seat in her car - where was she going to take her?! She bought all the first clothes, literally everything down to nappies and nappy cream. She chose christening outfit and first birthday outfit. I let her do all this to keep the peace. She openly disliked the name we chose for DD and refused to pronounce it properly for a few weeks. It's a very easy name to pronounce.

After a couple of months I was pressured into letting MIL look after DD once a week for the day. I never felt liked by her or accepted by her and thought if I do this maybe she will like me and we can forge a relationship. She always told me repeatedly and very loudly that she loved me like her daughter but it was odd, I never felt she was genuine.

She completely ignored my wishes for DD's care on these days - I brought her food, she binned it and made something else. Non organic, never any vegetables and loads of salt. She co slept with DD against my express wishes at nap times, took her to visit/be passed around her friends and family without asking or even telling me until after the event. She refused to let me say goodbye to DD in the mornings, always pulling her away or walking into another room telling me to 'just go, it's ok'. In the evenings when I went to collect I was put under pressure to let DD stay the night and for me to come back in the morning. I did this once, and the next day they really pressured me into leaving DD for another night. I cried the whole of the second night but felt I couldn't say no. DH, his mum, dad and sisters were all telling me I should enjoy the break and let my poor MIL have some time with her GD.

After about a year I stopped the childcare arrangements, I finally got the courage up. I suffered huge fallouts with her family after this. SIL asking why I was taking DD away from MIL etc. MIL was distraught and cried for weeks. Even though she was still seeing DD 2-3 times a week, doing her baths, dinner time, bedtime story, bottle.

I hope you're still with me ... Almost there! An ongoing problem is that my MIL never ever says 'no' to my DD. My DD could hit her or say something rude, and she says 'that's ok darling!'. I have asked my MIL repeatedly not to do this but she ignores me. DD cottoned on to GM being a soft touch when she was about 18months, and always behaves badly as soon as we are in her presence. This means I have to be really strict and really discipline DD in front of my MIL. I hate doing this because my MIL takes this to mean I don't have a positive or close relationship with my daughter. She has said this to my SIL.

So in the end, all of this history has resulted in me feeling as though I didn't and still haven't bonded well with my DD. I was so stressed and upset by all the emotional blackmail from my MIL in the first year and it still lingers on today. I feel my MIL thinks she is closer to my DD than I am. My DD flocks to her which makes me feel worse. I know this is partly because MIL never says 'no', not even to 4 bags of crisps or 10 biscuits! DD is told it's 'their little secret' and not to tell mummy.

Now I have another baby on the way and feel anxious and scared about my MIL taking advantage again when I am vulnerable post birth. Every member of DH's family believe my MIL is the best mother/GM in the world. I feel she has manipulated me, knowing there are no maternal GP's around to challenge her. If I say no to her, she cries or goes all quiet and tearfully tells me she just wants to help and loves me like a daughter.

I can see clearly what she did when I had my DD now, and I feel so much anger towards her that I don't even want her to spend any time with my DD or even cuddle my new baby.

How do I get over this? Telling her is not an option. As I've said if she is refused she cries and tells me she loves me.

I'm sorry this is the longest opening thread ever. Felt I needed to write it all down for clarity.

OP posts:
Rosebear · 15/08/2014 09:53

WhywouldYou, that's awful. I'm so sorry you all went through that and glad to hear the counselling really worked for your family.

We have to do the same.

OP posts:
RiverTam · 15/08/2014 09:55

that sounds awful. If at all possible, I would move. Far far away.

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 10:01

Moving is unfortunately not really an option. My extended family live in the same town as my IL's so I would be moving away from them too. DH's business is also based in this town.

It would be a lovely option though!

OP posts:
UselessNess · 15/08/2014 10:02

Your MILs behaviour is very typical of the older generation in my DHs Spanish/French family. Luckily his Mum is OK but her children (ie my DH and his sister) were very much the 'property' of their grandparents and were often whisked away.

There is such a strong sence of family in my DHs family that I simply don't have in my extended family - initially it seems lovely until you realise they are horrible to each other.

There is something about first grandchildren that can send some grandmothers (sorry to be sexist...) a bit crazy. My wonderful sane Mum could barely talk for the first few days of me giving birth to my first child as she was crying with the emotion of it all. It was a bit ridiculous really. Confused

I agree with everyone else, your DH needs to get with the program and you need to start standing up for yourself too.

Good luck Thanks

WhyOWhyWouldYou · 15/08/2014 10:09

A boy for an heir?!?! Thats awful and actually that brings to mind another problem with mil - she was furious we were having a boy, she wanted a grand daughter not a grandson - this was extremely worrying for us as obviously we felt if we went onto get a girl our ds would be ignored - this could be seriously damaging to a child. Even now i cant help worrying that i will have a girl this time (im pregnant again) and mil will cause problems but at least we are equiped to deal with her (in fact even the hospital have listed her attempting to see me/dc in hospital as a safeguarding issue and will call the police if she turns up when we tell other family that dc is born).

One thing to be aware of with counselling - initially it will in all likelyhood make you feel worse because it unlocks all the pain/anger/etc first then you deal with it.

Also dh is actually doing better at work (he was doing good before but now hes doing amazing), than he could ever do with his mother in his life - she was always wearing down his confidence and he was never "good enough" for her. Now shes out of the picture and he knows shes not gods gift, hes positively blooming.

YouTheCat · 15/08/2014 10:22

OP, I agree with whoever said up thread to have your dd being extra helpful with the baby. Get her to sing songs to help at sleep time etc. It might help you bond with her too and see her differently.

Maybe look to doing something just with your dd (a class/activity) in the future. Something not connected with the pil at all.

Your pil sound awful. But at least your dh is being more supportive now. Hope the counselling helps.

Bouttimeforwine · 15/08/2014 10:22

Oh poor you. You are angry at her and probably angry at yourself for not standing up for yourself. Understandable, but now time to let the past be the past. Forgive yourself and start with a clean slate.

Time to love bomb your dd in the time up until the birth. If you feel you haven't properly bonded, act to begin with. It then becomes a reality. Love bomb her with lots of cuddles (even if she shrugs you off to begin with), tell her you love her often and that she is the best dd in the world. All children have a special relationship with their grandparents if they are lucky, so ignore that. Just concentrate on having a lovely time now with dd and love bomb her. I promise that the acting will become a reality.

Just watch that because you are so busy when the new baby arrives, that she doesn't get her claws into dd then. If you are tired then perhaps let her have dd for the occasional day. Spoiling her occasionally won't hurt her as long as she respects your rules when she is present with you. If she doesn't, then spell it out that she is not welcome to visit until she backs you up. No secrets at all. If she bad mouths your parenting or tells dd there are secrets when they are alone, then warn her she won't be allowed unsupervised access.

Your blinkers have come off. You now know what you need to do for the benefit of your family. Good luck. Be firm and consistent. The counselling sounds great. It's good that you now have the support of DH.

Meerka · 15/08/2014 10:24

rosebear actually you've been incredibly strong living up to such an engulfing family. Very glad to hear your daughter sees them much less - actually with the comign baby, I'd use it as an excuse to cut down the contact further especially if the next one is a boy and she's going to be thrown on the attention-scrapheap (god, way to go to foster sibling-rivalry :s). With less contact, I'd imagine there's a good chance nicer behaviour patterns will surface.

Wishing you extra steel in your backbone because my god, they are enough to smother anyone.

FraidyCat · 15/08/2014 10:30

Lots of people early in the thread mainly blaming the DH for not intervening, but I'm not sure about the assumption that it's easier to be assertive to a parent than a PIL.

Each partner dealing with their own family is a sensible form of diplomacy when the family are decent and respond to input. When the family are toxic a consequence of that may be that their children will be less able than an outsider to stand up to them.

Also, the OP will have understood the extent of the problem better than her DH at the time, as some of it was more of a problem for her than it was for him.

I can see how it all happened, but I don't think the DH should be mainly blamed. (I don't think there's any point focusing on blaming anyone for what happened last time, just focus on being prepared for next time. Make a written list of what won't be allowed to happen again, and share it.)

Cravey · 15/08/2014 10:37

Your husband needs to grow a pair of bollocks and stand up for his wife.

Nanny0gg · 15/08/2014 10:38

If you are tired then perhaps let her have dd for the occasional day. Spoiling her occasionally won't hurt her as long as she respects your rules when she is present with you.

From what the OP has said I think that's a recipe for disaster.

Contact should be as limited as possible, never without OP or her husband there.

And if the counselling is successful (and I'm sure it will be) I'll lay odds on them being NC within a couple of years.

Nanny0gg · 15/08/2014 10:40

OP - do you see your parents?

YouTheCat · 15/08/2014 10:44

Nanny, I think OP's parents died when she was quite young.

LabradorMama · 15/08/2014 10:48

You poor thing. You have been badly let down by your husband and it's amazing that you haven't built up a huge barrier of resentment against him. Your MIL is quite a piece of work, no wonder you haven't bonded with your DD - MIL went out of her way to ensure that wouldn't happen, didn't she?

You must stop this toxic relationship between your MIL and your DD (it appears you are already taking steps to do so) and ensure it is not allowed to happen with your new baby. You must set clear boundaries and if she can't stick to them, well, that means she doesn't get to see the children AT ALL. If I were you I wouldn't let them be around her without you being there too. And screw the rest of the family and what they think, you're better off having none of them in your life, what a nasty, manipulative bunch.

OP I'm so sorry you have been through this, she took advantage of you when you were at your most vulnerable and ensured that it became a pattern that was difficult for you to get out of. You need to stand up to them all (including DH) this time around and remain in control. Otherwise you will ooh back in years to come and have an awful lot of regret.

Best of luck to you OP

LabradorMama · 15/08/2014 10:49

*look back

Bouttimeforwine · 15/08/2014 10:53

nanny It can be offered in exchange for the new rules. Not as a compromise but as a reward for sticking to the new boundaries. As I said all access needs to be stopped if mil doesn't respect the new rules.

One day a week of spoiling isn't going to hurt as long as dd sees mil backing her mother up and respecting her mother. Anyway she might not need to let her have that day but it will be a break for her if she is tired. A tired stressful mother with a new born is not going to help the difficult bonding with dd. A break may be the answer if everything else is going ok.

It needs to be carefully managed. Any hint of mils old ways need to be nipped in the bud.

Admiraltea · 15/08/2014 10:54

Completely agree with posters about taking the opportunity to completely reframe your relationship with your daughter. It can be done!!

Definitely no to taking her away to give you a break with new baby, talk over mil head if needs be..."oh dd look... baby can't sleep, burp, smile..." without you.. baby wants you here with mummy."

And my mil had dd1 5 days a week in first year, referred to herself as mummy, used to get greeted with "look darling, Admiral's home..mummy will just run her a bath so she can go upstairs and rest and get you your tea"

Batshit crazy, all wrapped up in "helping" with tears, running home and taking to her room if crossed.

I ended up divorced as exdh just couldn't not put her first.

I toughened up hugely with dd2 and "baby just couldn't bear to be apart from her sister" Second also to breastfeeding if possible as can be used for excuse to remove yourself whenever you feel like it...I decided before baby that dd1 had to tell dd2 stories while she was feeding, we thought of lots before baby and practised story voices, singing songs etc.. was completely lovely bonding time for all three of us as she adored the silly stories and memories I kept rambling on about when she was a new baby and seemed to rewrite history for me as well as forming a picture in her mind of who I was and that I am the mummy.

She is a very lovely teenager now (well is still asleep so hasn't growled yet this morning) and still loves hearing silly stories about when she was my only baby.

Just to say that you can improve the bond hugely, for years I was half convinced mine didn't really like me but turns out I was wrong!!

heraldgerald · 15/08/2014 10:56

Awful op. Try not to be too angry for dh as he has been brainwashed into this 'normal' for years. The counselling will hopefully help.

Setting absolute boundaries will help. Good luck.

Admiraltea · 15/08/2014 10:58

If you need a break with baby then that is what dh is for...to be the daddy...his chance to improve his bond as well.

IamSlave · 15/08/2014 10:59

Time to love bomb your dd in the time up until the birth. If you feel you haven't properly bonded, act to begin with. It then becomes a reality. Love bomb her with lots of cuddles (even if she shrugs you off to begin with), tell her you love her often and that she is the best dd in the world

YY this is a strategy I used too when had my MIL problems and I say it more al the time now as well..

WhyOWhyWouldYou · 15/08/2014 11:04

Oh and with regards to dhs siblings - he just needs to tell them that mil has hurt and upset you both and refuse to talk further saying he doesnt want to get in a slagging off match about it. If they press just tell them they dont understand whats shes done to you both and your not talking about it. They will come around,bil did. Bil is even starting to see what his mother is doing wrong.

IamSlave · 15/08/2014 11:10

It's as though she doesn't truly feel like she's mine, because I know how desperately my MIL wants her. I feel like my MIL is clutching at her even when she is not physically present.

Yes I have felt this too this invisible presence pulling at my DD and whats worrying is that they dont actually put DD first, just MILS need to have her. For instance I was ill once, Mil was in europe at her mothers. I was told " To help you recover why dont we put DD ( just 2) on a plane with our old neighbours who happen to be flying out to X they will take her to airport too and drop her off at mils mothers...for a week or so until your better and to help YOU"

Angry. I was flabbergasted. Put my just 2 baby into a car and onto a plane with people i had never ever met!!! Take her away for an indefinite amount of time....all because Mil wanted to play mummy with her mummy. Loads of stuff like that. We refer to their house and area as Mordor. Ie we are now entering Mordor.....

But we stamped it out, and batted them back. The trump card is the child so unless they want to loose it all, they do eventually fall back. bUT YOU HAVE to stand your ground and be un compromising.

My MIL is always telling me DD looks like my SIL as a girl when in fact she is the spitting image of me. My IL's can not bring themselves to admit DD even looks like me.

yes I had this too and unfortunaly in my case....DD does look like sil, I cant bear sil either this really used to upset me. However DD is very caring and sweet, sil is a money mad maniac...I have to keep reminding myself of this, and I dont see sil anymore. Mil acts like DD is a product of sil and dh not me and dh. Also anything dd does is always related back to sil....oh sil you liked that too, oh sil you did that too...there is very much a mad pushing of sil into the dd.

I think I just feel my DD is partly MIL and SIL's because of their overbearing ways. For example they will both tell DD that they love her more than anyone. So more than her own mother then?!! They probably believe they do in their weird world.

Yep, I honestly know, mil would jump for joy if I came down with terminal disease so she could take over and do a better job. From the get go its been made very clear that we are not dong it right and even though our DD is in a brilliant state school, which we tramp a long way for ( ie we didnt take easy choice) we jumped through hoops to get in her and she is truely thriving at any opportunity, FIl tries to undermine us about everything incld the school. Making digs about class sizes and so on. And the fact Dh nor I earn enough to provide our children with private education like HE did.

They very very much want to tell DD what life is really about when she is there....and sil pushes MIL and mil pushes sil.

Its horrid.

IamSlave · 15/08/2014 11:13

You need space to get your head and life as you want it. You need space to work on bonding with your DD as someone said love bomb her it will work. not sure of her age but I got mine a great colouring book and pens ( special) from baby when born and did loads nd loads of colouring with her when baby born.

re bond, push mil out furter and be very clear with your dh your not standing for any non sense.

BirdhouseInYourSoul · 15/08/2014 11:18

It's no wonder you're feeling so worked up OP. It's probably a bit like PTSD with the upcoming birth.

AdmiralTea 's idea of storytime during feeding is lovely idea. Particularly the bit about memories of your older DD when she was that age. It's a great way of confirming in her head your role. And also a nice way of bringing happy moments between the two you to the forefront of your mind too. It might help you to feel more connected and bonded with that baby DD in your mind.

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/08/2014 11:19

OP.

In response to those saying "man up", "grow some balls", "find his backbone".

I agree with TheRealAmandaClarke your DH has had this "conditioning" from birth, he (and possibly his siblings) are as much a victim of his mother as you.

It is worth realising that the mythical "man up" button is buried under years and years of shit that he has been "conditioned" to accept as normal.