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How can I ever forgive my mother in law?

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Rosebear · 14/08/2014 21:59

Ok, this is long. And goes back over a few years. It's all re surfacing now as we are having another baby in 2 weeks.

My MIL was awful when I had my first child 5 years ago. For the last 2 weeks I've been re living the first year of my DD's life and can't stop feeling massive anger towards my MIL. I repressed my feelings back then, thought it was me being unreasonable, and now I am so angry she took advantage when I was vulnerable. Completely manipulated me as I was trying to find my feet as a new mum.

Brief history is my DH and I had a baby 18 mths after meeting. We knew we were meant for each other the day we met, and DH proposed and asked me to move in within 3 months. I chose not to move in then (felt it was too soon) but did move in when I was 3 months pregnant. We remained engaged for a few years and married after our daughter was born.

DH has a big family, 5 siblings. 2 older sisters with no children/un married/early 40's. Our daughter is the first grandchild on both sides. In my family I lost my mum to mental illness at 16 and my dad died in my 20's. I have no siblings but am close with my large extended family.

My MIL's behaviour changed when I became pregnant. It began with inviting herself to our scans and assuming she would be in the delivery room. She came to the scans and sat holding DH's hand and didn't utter a word to me. I felt like rent a womb! She knew we didn't want to find out sex but pointed to screen saying "it's definitely a boy, I can see something!".

She was not taking no for an answer on being there at the birth and DH would not stand up to her. He won't stand up to his parents, and is deeply entrenched/conditioned to his family way of life (they all overstep boundaries massively). So we agreed he would not tell her when I went into labour and only call her after baby was born. She turned up at the hospitial immediately, crying, in a state, picked up my daughter from her cot without asking me and held her, weeping, ignoring me.

I went home that night. The next day MIL was over, and spent the next few weeks crying to everyone that I was 'keeping her away from her grandchild' because we said we only wanted visitors every other day. I had a very traumatic delivery and was damaged, bleeding and all sorts. I felt scared and threatened by my MIL, she talked about my baby as though she was the mother. My MIL still visited every single day for the first week and wanted to do bedtime every night.

Over the first weeks I had massive pressure from DH's sister and father to 'give baby to MIL'. She would never communicate with me directly, and always ignored me when I talked about baby's routine or how I was doing things. She is a mother of 5 and was insulted I would even dare to tell her about my way! She wanted sleep overs at her house, first bath, bedtime bottles almost every night, just way too much for me. She wanted a baby seat in her car - where was she going to take her?! She bought all the first clothes, literally everything down to nappies and nappy cream. She chose christening outfit and first birthday outfit. I let her do all this to keep the peace. She openly disliked the name we chose for DD and refused to pronounce it properly for a few weeks. It's a very easy name to pronounce.

After a couple of months I was pressured into letting MIL look after DD once a week for the day. I never felt liked by her or accepted by her and thought if I do this maybe she will like me and we can forge a relationship. She always told me repeatedly and very loudly that she loved me like her daughter but it was odd, I never felt she was genuine.

She completely ignored my wishes for DD's care on these days - I brought her food, she binned it and made something else. Non organic, never any vegetables and loads of salt. She co slept with DD against my express wishes at nap times, took her to visit/be passed around her friends and family without asking or even telling me until after the event. She refused to let me say goodbye to DD in the mornings, always pulling her away or walking into another room telling me to 'just go, it's ok'. In the evenings when I went to collect I was put under pressure to let DD stay the night and for me to come back in the morning. I did this once, and the next day they really pressured me into leaving DD for another night. I cried the whole of the second night but felt I couldn't say no. DH, his mum, dad and sisters were all telling me I should enjoy the break and let my poor MIL have some time with her GD.

After about a year I stopped the childcare arrangements, I finally got the courage up. I suffered huge fallouts with her family after this. SIL asking why I was taking DD away from MIL etc. MIL was distraught and cried for weeks. Even though she was still seeing DD 2-3 times a week, doing her baths, dinner time, bedtime story, bottle.

I hope you're still with me ... Almost there! An ongoing problem is that my MIL never ever says 'no' to my DD. My DD could hit her or say something rude, and she says 'that's ok darling!'. I have asked my MIL repeatedly not to do this but she ignores me. DD cottoned on to GM being a soft touch when she was about 18months, and always behaves badly as soon as we are in her presence. This means I have to be really strict and really discipline DD in front of my MIL. I hate doing this because my MIL takes this to mean I don't have a positive or close relationship with my daughter. She has said this to my SIL.

So in the end, all of this history has resulted in me feeling as though I didn't and still haven't bonded well with my DD. I was so stressed and upset by all the emotional blackmail from my MIL in the first year and it still lingers on today. I feel my MIL thinks she is closer to my DD than I am. My DD flocks to her which makes me feel worse. I know this is partly because MIL never says 'no', not even to 4 bags of crisps or 10 biscuits! DD is told it's 'their little secret' and not to tell mummy.

Now I have another baby on the way and feel anxious and scared about my MIL taking advantage again when I am vulnerable post birth. Every member of DH's family believe my MIL is the best mother/GM in the world. I feel she has manipulated me, knowing there are no maternal GP's around to challenge her. If I say no to her, she cries or goes all quiet and tearfully tells me she just wants to help and loves me like a daughter.

I can see clearly what she did when I had my DD now, and I feel so much anger towards her that I don't even want her to spend any time with my DD or even cuddle my new baby.

How do I get over this? Telling her is not an option. As I've said if she is refused she cries and tells me she loves me.

I'm sorry this is the longest opening thread ever. Felt I needed to write it all down for clarity.

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ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:43

I also think your relationship with your dd trumps that of her and her grandma, many many people see their gp a few times a year and thats totally fine...

they dont need a hands on caring role.

You need to work on this with your dd , she is your daughter she needs you to be there for her, now and in future. you have to fight for her.

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:44

You need to make them both aware you mean business

often the spinless dh only does what his mother or family wants because he is conditioned or scared, or thats how its always been, throwing a few tantrums to show there is actually trouble if you let ME YOUR WIFE DOWN.....really can help...I have noticed a few posters commenting on this in past on these threads...dont make it easier for him to let you down. ,

Rosebear · 14/08/2014 22:48

They are from another culture though both my PIL were born here. Mediterranean, strong culture of family comes first, parents are respected, sons are golden boys.

My DH does see how his mother behaved now, in hindsight. He is happy to see a counsellor with me too. But he almost needs constant reminders because he often slips back into this comfortable position of saying he just wants everyone to get along, and what's the harm in visiting them/letting DD stay the night.

He hasn't truly faced up to what his family is really like because that would be too painful a place for him to go to. There was abuse when he was growing up, verbal and physical, and his mother didn't protect him from it.

Also the way the family works is that everyone toes the line with his parents, and they all pretend to have a great family life. His father still supports the other siblings financially, the mother still does a lot for her grown children, so it works for everyone to keep them happy.

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zazA09Jane · 14/08/2014 22:50

maybe you should have said no more often then.. shes your daughter and youve been going against what you want to do just to please someone you dont really like. sorry to be blunt. ive had alot of pressure from my MIL but if its something I dont want to do then Ill say no. maybe if youd started saying no earlier then she wouldn't keep walking all over you

Goldmandra · 14/08/2014 22:52

what's the harm in visiting them/letting DD stay the night.

Maybe you need to make a list together of the harm that has been done so far and get him to consider whether he would like that harm to be repeated/compounded.

Then ask him to consider very carefully before he uses those words to you again.

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 14/08/2014 22:56

op I could of wrote your post myself, the similarities are astonishing. Our stories differ though as after a fee days of mil coughing all over my new baby and actually taking her from my arms - I pulled her back.

My mil is a crier too. Had it all . Even threatened suisidal one Christmas Eve. My dp knows what she is like though and will stand up to her most of the time

Your mil is a narcissist. Even if you do tell her what she has done to you she will not be able to process or admit what she has done wrong .

My mil made my last few months of pregnancy hell. She really bullied me as she thought she was going to be present too. It didn't happen though do she flew out if the country in a rage and came back two weeks later.

Go on the stately homes thread you get fab advice on there.

Don't let her do it again. Let her cry, stamp her foot , declare illness (cancer is mils favourite one) she is dh mum not yours. You don't have to put up with this shite.

Any one that tries to bully your from now on - disengage.

You think she might be bad now- wait till she starts fucking with your kids heads.

Attheendof · 14/08/2014 22:56

Move. Move really far away.

Rosebear · 14/08/2014 22:57

Thank you so much for responding everyone. This is helpful advice and I really need the back up!

Thunderclouds, that's a good point about making sure it's not easier for DH to keep his mother happy than me. My MIL has gone to some extreme lengths though when she is unhappy with the amount of access she has to DD. She has previously gone quiet for weeks and weeks, and we have had DH's sisters, father, aunts and family friends pressuring us into letting his poor mum have her way because 'she lives for her grandaughter' and Has been crying every day, etc, etc.

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ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 22:59

He is happy to see a counsellor with me too

I promise this will be a huge part to play on your path to freedom.

If you don't get a good one try another. In laws is a frequent problem for them to deal with.

I too have had cultural issues to contend with, and its taken some time but we have done it...through blood sweat and tears.

call relate tomorow and get booked in as there could be huge waiting list.

also he cant face up to them due to abuse? but he is happy for his tiny defencless dd go there without a chaperone? and you let her go too?

Rosebear · 14/08/2014 23:00

ZazJane I should have said no in that first year. I am feeling angry with myself that I didn't say no more often. Also that I was fooled and manipulated.

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Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 14/08/2014 23:02

op it makes me do fucking annoyed as I totally understand how you feel. It's very intimidating. All you want to do is scream in your head. Why the fuck did they expect you to leave your baby with them for two days?

Get your counciling and make sure that dh is well aware of what she has done to you. He needs to be a man and protect his wife x

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 23:03

You need to tell them her happiness is not your issue.

But a counsellor will walk you through boundaries and what to do.

With the birth in such a short time, you need urgent short term steps...and get an appt with relate booked in, and then work on longer term steps.

Your dh needs to wake up, but he only has two weeks Sad. are you able to threaten if he does not hold this lot back, you will take both children to your relatives? as you will not have a reapte of last time? and should hte worst happen, can you actually have a bag packed and bundle off?

Absofrigginlootly · 14/08/2014 23:03

Honestly, read those book links I posted above.... Your mil is a controlling narcissist...these sorts of people follow behaviour scripts.
The toxic parent book describes it perfectly and will give you DH some excellent non- confrontational phrases to use when faced with 'drama'. The book also outlines why other family members will get involved- as they are part of the 'toxic' family unit and have been brainwashed into 'maintaining the peace'
Good luck xx

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 23:04

get the books suggested too, also helpful tips, phrases and so on..

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 23:06

these sorts of people follow behaviour scripts

They do.

All the threads I see have similar problems and issues...But take heart, some of us have been there and got through it but it has not been easy.

mine is a massive massive cryer too and everyone feels sorry for her. but she has a heart of ice Confused

Rosebear · 14/08/2014 23:09

Yes I let her go too. At 18 months into my relationship with DH I hadn't witnessed a lot of this. I knew DH was hit as a child but it was always relayed to me in a comedic way, I didn't feel my DD was in danger.

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Meerka · 14/08/2014 23:09

You were fooled and manipulated but the way it's going, you're well on your way to loosing your daughter :(

You're a nice woman. That's how she could pressure you so. But it's time to stand up to the extended family, if you don't want her to turn first to Granny every time she can.

Your husband needs to man up as others have said. It's your daughter and the new baby you're fighting for and if you don't ensure your daughter has less time with her, you're going to have to accept loosing her.

mumminio · 14/08/2014 23:11

Aaaah the med culture totally makes sense :) At least you know what you're dealing with now. Best of luck, glad the DH will go to counselling. Me and DH went in our early days, and it really helped having an objective person tell him what I'd been telling him...WE are the highest priority (this was pre children), then our parents, then siblings. It's hard to change a habit, but he came around eventually.

ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 23:14

YY Mumminio same here its odd but its that third person who sort of gives him permission to put up boundaries with his first family as it were, its ok to do it...

your not only end up loosing her but also she will have her values...and copy things she does which may make you not warm to your own dd.

xvxvxvxvxvxvxvxv · 14/08/2014 23:15

You need to move to another city. Or country. And no spare room.

Rosebear · 14/08/2014 23:16

I have massively reduced the time my DD spends with my MIL now, sorry I didn't make that very clear in my post. There isn't going to be anymore babysitting or time alone with my MIL.

And I have my DH in board and ready to go to counselling with me. I have already made some enquiries for appointments.

So why do I feel angrier and more anxious about this than ever, at a time when I am doing the most I've ever done to stand up for myself and my family?

The more I wake up to what has been happening, the worse I feel about it.

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Rosebear · 14/08/2014 23:19

Thunderclouds, that has hit a bit of a nerve. Could I feel I haven't bonded properly with DD because she has copied behaviours of my MIL. I need to really think about that. Horrified.

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Goldmandra · 14/08/2014 23:26

So why do I feel angrier and more anxious about this than ever, at a time when I am doing the most I've ever done to stand up for myself and my family?

Maybe because you have a different perspective now and more confidence in your own right to be your baby's primary carer.

It's OK to be angry if that's what gives you the strength to stand up to your MIL and make damned sure your DH does the same now. Just make sure it doesn't become self-destructive. You need to forgive yourself in the same way as anyone else who has been abused. It wasn't your fault.

You have now taken control and you aren't going to allow the same thing to happen again. That is massive so celebrate it.

I'm pleased you have put a limit on your DD's time with her and will make sure it is supervised now. That sounds a lot more healthy and you've obviously taken the first steps towards establishing ground rules. Just keep going and make sure you follow through on the counselling.

ChangelingToday · 14/08/2014 23:27

I have problems with my controlling mil too, similar to yours, but manifests in different ways. It's mostly been a one way battle on my part, dh has slightly improved in defending me but not a lot. She no longer sees dc with me during the week, one day a week now with dh, I refuse to spend time with her unless it's a special event. I couldn't take her anymore. She didn't take it well but I stuck to my guns. You will need to set boundaries, great that you've stopped the overnights, maybe your next aim would be to stop the bed time routine/bottle (that's a bit weird every night?)

NomDePrune · 14/08/2014 23:32

I'd be concerned that your mil may assume that she will be 'helpful' after the new baby arrives by 'taking dd off your hands to give you a break'. You will need breaks and space so make sure you don't give in to her. Is dd at nursery? I don't think you said how old she is. At the same time it will be important not to let dd feel rejected as can happen when siblings arrive. Please talk to your midwife/gp/hb if any of them are sympathetic; they may be able to sort out the counselling for you.

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