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How can I ever forgive my mother in law?

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Rosebear · 14/08/2014 21:59

Ok, this is long. And goes back over a few years. It's all re surfacing now as we are having another baby in 2 weeks.

My MIL was awful when I had my first child 5 years ago. For the last 2 weeks I've been re living the first year of my DD's life and can't stop feeling massive anger towards my MIL. I repressed my feelings back then, thought it was me being unreasonable, and now I am so angry she took advantage when I was vulnerable. Completely manipulated me as I was trying to find my feet as a new mum.

Brief history is my DH and I had a baby 18 mths after meeting. We knew we were meant for each other the day we met, and DH proposed and asked me to move in within 3 months. I chose not to move in then (felt it was too soon) but did move in when I was 3 months pregnant. We remained engaged for a few years and married after our daughter was born.

DH has a big family, 5 siblings. 2 older sisters with no children/un married/early 40's. Our daughter is the first grandchild on both sides. In my family I lost my mum to mental illness at 16 and my dad died in my 20's. I have no siblings but am close with my large extended family.

My MIL's behaviour changed when I became pregnant. It began with inviting herself to our scans and assuming she would be in the delivery room. She came to the scans and sat holding DH's hand and didn't utter a word to me. I felt like rent a womb! She knew we didn't want to find out sex but pointed to screen saying "it's definitely a boy, I can see something!".

She was not taking no for an answer on being there at the birth and DH would not stand up to her. He won't stand up to his parents, and is deeply entrenched/conditioned to his family way of life (they all overstep boundaries massively). So we agreed he would not tell her when I went into labour and only call her after baby was born. She turned up at the hospitial immediately, crying, in a state, picked up my daughter from her cot without asking me and held her, weeping, ignoring me.

I went home that night. The next day MIL was over, and spent the next few weeks crying to everyone that I was 'keeping her away from her grandchild' because we said we only wanted visitors every other day. I had a very traumatic delivery and was damaged, bleeding and all sorts. I felt scared and threatened by my MIL, she talked about my baby as though she was the mother. My MIL still visited every single day for the first week and wanted to do bedtime every night.

Over the first weeks I had massive pressure from DH's sister and father to 'give baby to MIL'. She would never communicate with me directly, and always ignored me when I talked about baby's routine or how I was doing things. She is a mother of 5 and was insulted I would even dare to tell her about my way! She wanted sleep overs at her house, first bath, bedtime bottles almost every night, just way too much for me. She wanted a baby seat in her car - where was she going to take her?! She bought all the first clothes, literally everything down to nappies and nappy cream. She chose christening outfit and first birthday outfit. I let her do all this to keep the peace. She openly disliked the name we chose for DD and refused to pronounce it properly for a few weeks. It's a very easy name to pronounce.

After a couple of months I was pressured into letting MIL look after DD once a week for the day. I never felt liked by her or accepted by her and thought if I do this maybe she will like me and we can forge a relationship. She always told me repeatedly and very loudly that she loved me like her daughter but it was odd, I never felt she was genuine.

She completely ignored my wishes for DD's care on these days - I brought her food, she binned it and made something else. Non organic, never any vegetables and loads of salt. She co slept with DD against my express wishes at nap times, took her to visit/be passed around her friends and family without asking or even telling me until after the event. She refused to let me say goodbye to DD in the mornings, always pulling her away or walking into another room telling me to 'just go, it's ok'. In the evenings when I went to collect I was put under pressure to let DD stay the night and for me to come back in the morning. I did this once, and the next day they really pressured me into leaving DD for another night. I cried the whole of the second night but felt I couldn't say no. DH, his mum, dad and sisters were all telling me I should enjoy the break and let my poor MIL have some time with her GD.

After about a year I stopped the childcare arrangements, I finally got the courage up. I suffered huge fallouts with her family after this. SIL asking why I was taking DD away from MIL etc. MIL was distraught and cried for weeks. Even though she was still seeing DD 2-3 times a week, doing her baths, dinner time, bedtime story, bottle.

I hope you're still with me ... Almost there! An ongoing problem is that my MIL never ever says 'no' to my DD. My DD could hit her or say something rude, and she says 'that's ok darling!'. I have asked my MIL repeatedly not to do this but she ignores me. DD cottoned on to GM being a soft touch when she was about 18months, and always behaves badly as soon as we are in her presence. This means I have to be really strict and really discipline DD in front of my MIL. I hate doing this because my MIL takes this to mean I don't have a positive or close relationship with my daughter. She has said this to my SIL.

So in the end, all of this history has resulted in me feeling as though I didn't and still haven't bonded well with my DD. I was so stressed and upset by all the emotional blackmail from my MIL in the first year and it still lingers on today. I feel my MIL thinks she is closer to my DD than I am. My DD flocks to her which makes me feel worse. I know this is partly because MIL never says 'no', not even to 4 bags of crisps or 10 biscuits! DD is told it's 'their little secret' and not to tell mummy.

Now I have another baby on the way and feel anxious and scared about my MIL taking advantage again when I am vulnerable post birth. Every member of DH's family believe my MIL is the best mother/GM in the world. I feel she has manipulated me, knowing there are no maternal GP's around to challenge her. If I say no to her, she cries or goes all quiet and tearfully tells me she just wants to help and loves me like a daughter.

I can see clearly what she did when I had my DD now, and I feel so much anger towards her that I don't even want her to spend any time with my DD or even cuddle my new baby.

How do I get over this? Telling her is not an option. As I've said if she is refused she cries and tells me she loves me.

I'm sorry this is the longest opening thread ever. Felt I needed to write it all down for clarity.

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ThunderCloudsinSumer · 14/08/2014 23:44

Thunderclouds, that has hit a bit of a nerve. Could I feel I haven't bonded properly with DD because she has copied behaviours of my MIL. I need to really think about that. Horrified

I hope I have not upset you, I just personally noticed a massive change in my dd personality after being at pils all day.
Rude and or withdrawn etc.

I first came on here years ago and posted about my in laws and some posters said to me, after I explained some.....behaviours....why am I letting her go into this bear pit alone when I felt depressed going there and dh had depression!

They are very strong in personality and views and values, they don't smoke but its like her coming back stinking of fumes...of them. It irritated me as DD is very caring and lovely and she seemed harder somehow.

Its brilliant you have cut down time, cut it further we can handle a few visits a year for a few hours only, it used to be several times a month all day.

Everything you have said is really heartening....you just need to get through birth and aftermath with as little stress as possible...its when I read the dh wont get help my heart sinks...

Pico2 · 14/08/2014 23:47

I think it is normal, after going through something so traumatic, to come out the otherside, look back and feel angry. You want to go back in time and stand next to your younger self, filling the proctective role that was missing. And it's like a form of grief for the happy time you could have had, if only your MIL hadn't behaved like that or your DH had stopped her.

I think counselling sounds like a good way forward as you need to really make sense of what happened, as a couple and how you can both make things work in the future.

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 00:01

Thunderclouds no not upset, it's just food for thought because I really want to understand why I have this feeling of not bonding with DD.

It's as though she doesn't truly feel like she's mine, because I know how desperately my MIL wants her. I feel like my MIL is clutching at her even when she is not physically present.

Pico, I suppose counselling will help me understands these feelings. I'm so full of resentment towards my MIL right now. The worst thing is that she had horrid time with her own MIL and still can't stand her after 40 years of marriage. Why would she out me through a similar experience knowing what it's like?

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Matildasmam22 · 15/08/2014 00:05

OP I could of wrote of wrote your post. DP's mother is just a bitch did pretty much the same. My partner was away and I had a very sick baby.

I bottled it up for a year. It ended violently which I'm not proud of (never even been in a fight before) but my god that women could turn anyone.

I think you should look into counselling for your own peace of mind, you never get the first years back I don't blame you for being angry [hugs]

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 00:07

My MIL is always telling me DD looks like my SIL as a girl when in fact she is the spitting image of me. My IL's can not bring themselves to admit DD even looks like me.

I think I just feel my DD is partly MIL and SIL's because of their overbearing ways. For example they will both tell DD that they love her more than anyone. So more than her own mother then?!! They probably believe they do in their weird world.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 00:14

I agreed to so many things I didn't want, because my MIL made me feel I would please her if I did. That must be how it is for DH and his siblings. She withdraws if you displease her. She lets you know in quite a cold way.

I'm just posting as I'm gaining clarity. Thank you for all the very helpful and supportive replies. I really do want and need to speak to a counsellor about everything.

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Rosebear · 15/08/2014 00:16

That's terrible Matilda. I'm sorry you went through the same. How are things now with your MIL, does she see your DC?

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pictish · 15/08/2014 00:19

Op you have my sympathy. What a mess! You definitely have to ring the changes here.

I'd move away if I could. Far far away. I know...it's probably a pipe dream, but yeah...that looks good.

northlight · 15/08/2014 00:22

Start thinking now about how you can involve your DD in caring for the new baby with you and DH. Aim for being a family team with your own silly songs, rhymes, rituals etc. Be able to say 'Oh no MiL, DD's nose isn't out of joint. We couldn't manage without her she's so brilliant with her sib.' Spoil DD with praise and enhanced self esteem. In the long run that will count for more than 4 packets of crisps in one go.

I'm sure the united wisdom of Mumsnet will offer a few suggestions if you want them.

You sound great and already well on the way to making the family life you need and deserve. Good luck with everything.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 15/08/2014 01:26

What a sad story, awful for you.

Dh needs some urgent councelling, he needs to put boundaries in place, he let you down dreadfully last time.

Is there any way you can move? You need to get away. Establishing boundaries for the first time ever will be really hard, you need the help os some physical boundaries. Nursery for dd also sounds a great idea.

Coolas · 15/08/2014 02:11

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temporaryusername · 15/08/2014 02:57

OP, that is so disturbing! Your DH is going to have to continue counselling and seriously sort out his perspective. Forgiveness wouldn't even be an issue for me at this point, it would just be about limiting contact.

Do not attempt to please her, do not see that as a goal. You can only please her by doing things that will hurt you and your children (because your bond with them is so important to their future). So you must not please her, displeasing her is the only way forward.

It is really good you have got things under control somewhat, but if they look to be worsening in the lead up to the birth, I would seriously tell them that if they don't shape up they will not see the children at all, or only once or twice a year for brief visits. Tell DH that if he won't back you up on that you will leave with the children.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2014 03:28

The worst thing is that she had horrid time with her own MIL and still can't stand her after 40 years of marriage. Why would she out me through a similar experience knowing what it's like?

I had a light-bulb go on for me about this recently. My communication expert friend who has a MIL just like yours said she realises that her MIL was raised in an environment where women had an extremely restricted role, they were told who to be, they had bad relationships with their MILs and so on. Their only rebellion, the only one that was allowed, was passive aggression. Their only outlet was sulking and crying and getting others to fight their battles. It is desperately sad for you but also her. She has learned, because of the relationships she has had, to be very manipulative and controlling because just saying, "fuck off MIL" wasn't allowed to her. It doesn't mean you have to put up with it, but it may help to understand her a little.

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JenniferJo · 15/08/2014 06:14

You are much stronger now than you were when DD was born. History won't repeat itself because you know what happened last time and will be firm this time.

Of course grandparents want to share the children in the family and that's a good thing, but your MiL took this too far. In her culture that may be their way but it isn't in yours and try to calmly explain this.

You will be fine. Stay strong.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 15/08/2014 07:30

Brew your feelings are entirely valid.

You have married into an abusive family.
Its like a cautionary tale in relation to marrying in haste believing that you're made for each other.
Maybe counselling would help.

Overall i would say you don't have to forgive your Mil. You have done well not to plan her death. And your DH, yes he should stand up for you but i cant see that happening. You found it difficult standing up to her after a few months of knowing her. He's been there his whole life.

If you can, muster your strength, knowing that you a in the right and will need to fight. Then just keep pitting your foot down about stuff.
Decide what you want to happen and don't look for validation from any of them, including your husband.

He is used to being pushed around. If he wont back you up then you push too. It will get easier as time goes on.
Good luck with the baby.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 15/08/2014 07:30

The fact that she went through it herself is no protection about repeating the same crime.
World history tells us that every day.

FunkyBoldRibena · 15/08/2014 07:44

Next time she cries and cries, either send her a box of Kleenex or announce 'get the woman a tissue'. And carry on doing what you want to do because you are the mummy now.

And knock those behaviours into touch, and no secrets. Ever. Because that is a flag of child abuse, isn't it grandma?

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OddFodd · 15/08/2014 07:49

As NomdePlume said, I'd be very wary now you're having another child. She and the family will probably use this as the opportunity to drive a further wedge between you and your DD (incidentally haha at her getting the gender wrong from the scans!) so you need a plan with your DH of how you're going to manage over the birth.

It sounds truly awful but things will improve now that the scales have fallen from your and your DH's eyes.

I don't suppose anyone else has had children or are likely to? That would really take the pressure off I suspect.

tinkerbellvspredator · 15/08/2014 08:57

I would also recommend the book Raising Happy Brothers and Sisters. Not only for guidance on building a good relationship between DD and new baby but also helping your DH to identify things that were damaging in his own upbringing and spotting behaviours that his relatives might do which are detrimental to the bond between your two children.

AppleYumYum · 15/08/2014 09:07

My blood boils for you! I think you need to be kind to yourself - what's done is done the first time round with your dd, you are stronger and wiser this time so channel your anger into having the birth and special newborn time you were robbed of last time.

Spend these last few weeks having fun and bonding with your dd. I had a lovely time with my ds1 as soon as I went on mat leave, he didn't have any clue but I knew it would never be just the two of us again. We had meals out just the two of us, hauled massive bump around soft play, trips to the park, swimming etc.

As others have said, once the baby is here tow the line that dd needs to be with her family to bond with her new brother or sister, not 'helpfully' removed as I'm sure MIL will insist. Prime your dd now about how she's going to be such a great older sister and mummy's big helper, fetching nappies, toys for the baby, making the baby laugh etc. Do you have any friends who can have her during the birth if you aren't going to let them know you've gone to the hospital?

Consider breastfeeding, it's a great excuse for snatching back your baby, disappearing upstairs, or for not being able to be separated for long from your baby.

Your DH needs to step up this time, there's no excuse now you've pointed out the issues of last time. At the end of the day this is your own little family now and it's both of your jobs to protect that and put that first. Good luck!

WhyOWhyWouldYou · 15/08/2014 09:42

Wow. Youre first post could have been me two years ago. Only id have had to add my mil physicallyhurting ds at 6 weeks old for "daring to sleep in her presence and that she went out of her way to stop dp developing a bond with ds (thankfully didnt work).

Counselling is definately a good idea. I had pnd (which i think was mainly cause by mils behaviour), so had counselling when lo was quite small. Then as mil was such a big problem, the counsellor brough in dh. For my dh that was the first time he realised by "going for the easy life" & pleasing mil, bending to her will and demands, whenever she turned on the crocodile tears, that he had caused me immesurable pain and suffering and let ds down by putting his needs after mils. He has never felt so bad in his life but it was that, that finally made him stand up for me and ds. Finally see that he wasnt creating an "easy" life by going a long with her he was hurting the two people who loved him most (me & ds).

The counsellor helped us deal with her. For us it has resulted in no contact - lots of abuse came up that dh had buried, she still made it clear that none of us mattered, only her, made it clear she still didnt think it was wrong for her to physically hurt ds when he was 6weeks (still maintaining it was our newborns fault for daring to sleep in her presence), she tried to convince dh to kill himself and finally when he told her she could have one last chance and come to counselling with him, she spent a couple of sessions trying to convince the counsellor she was hard done to and all shed ever tried to do was help, even blamed hubby for her perving on him as a teenager and then she assulted me in front of the counsellor! Dh could finally let go, he knew it wasnt his fault the relationship didnt work. That hed given more chances than she could ever deserve. He writes to her occasionally and shes allowed to write no more than once a month. We are both very happy now and dh is finally rid of his depression.

Rosebear · 15/08/2014 09:46

Thank you, I will look up Raising brothers and sisters.

I can already see things I don't like in this sense. My FIL is waiting for us to have a boy to be his heir. So the eldest child, a girl, is disregarded! Sometimes I am stunned into silence by the things I hear them say.

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