AIBU to think that Islamist Extremism is on the rise in Britain as well as the rest of Europe?

[DikTrom]

In schools, local communities, pro ISIS demonstrations etc. with Muslim leaders remaining silent.

Is this something new or was it always there right under the surface?

Have we been to tolerant to people who openly reject our values and want to overthrow our society?

You see, it's comments like Zaz's that mean we can't have a sensible conversation about extremism because frothing racists appear with their bigoted nonsense.

I've sent christmas stuff to the ME to muslim relatives for their kids (they asked for them).

So some folks here think the crap. Well, that's standard whingers worldwide too. Second generation syndrom adds to that issue (teens feel they don't 'fit in', its all lovely when they go to visit their parents country, etc).

As for converts, well, you get them of all sort, although I don't think that going the 'full Saudi' makes you any closer to god, but converts do tend to be more hardline when it comes to interpretation of religion. Again, it's in all denominations - ever been sucked into a debate about the afterlife with a born again evangelical christian?. I know someone who worked with a born again who used to shake her head sadly and say 'you are a lovely person... But you are going to hell'.

Britain will face the costs of Islamic extremism for many years

Extremism unchecked in schools

The languages of Jihad

Muslim extremists are a thorn in our community

ZazA09Jane you are totally right, imagine going to their country and asking people to become Christian...wait, whose country are you referring to exactly? Is it the country of Muslim or the country of Islam? But yeah, totally.

Clothes with 'my first Eid' available in Asda you say? Hmm. Boycott them I reckon. I bet it was all the Muslims idea and not the Asda bosses wanting to increase their profits.

Streets full of Muslims? Must be really terrible, like living in Muslimstan or whatever that country is that all the Muslims come from right? I feel sad that you have to live near them. I think they do it to annoy everyone. Or maybe its because the prices are reasonable and they feel more welcome. Who knows.

As for those English women becoming Muslim, well, what's that all about?? Probably been brainwashed by all those leaflets the Muslim men were handing out at the church they were all attending every Sunday.

Oh and yeah, you're completely right about the Muslims giving lots to charity. Everyone absolutely knows that is not the case at all. Right?

Does this map show the very real problem Cardiff has with Islamic extremism

How do you define Islamist extremism

You see, it's comments like Zaz's that mean we can't have a sensible conversation about extremism because frothing racists appear with their bigoted nonsense

Perhaps Zaz actually believes that she has a right to her opinion, even though you do not agree with it.

It's comments like this, name calling and hysterical accusations of bigotry and racism that shut down any attempt to exchange views and for people of all beliefs to feel that they have a say, they have a right to their own beliefs, without being verbally abused when they dare express it.

Being called names and intimidated and abused for having a different opinion to the one someone else feels I should have reminds me all to clearly of how I felt living in Saudi.

There is a sad irony to this, Hermione. I have agreed wholeheartedly with your other comments on this thread.

monte - we were discussing extremists. Zaz then came on to complain about people living perfectly normal lives because they are Muslim. To me the fact that these threads attract racists (probably the people who say "I'm not racist but....") means we struggle to have a sensible debate about extremism/ women and human rights in the ME and other sensitive topics because the rest of us who express concerns get called bigots (see what happened to me earlier in the thread for my first comment).

DikTrom and zazA09Jane UKIP would love you.

I think "Christian " extremism such as Britain First is more of a problem. Way more. And I know that they are more than likely using Christianity as a cover-up for their atrocious activities, and that they in no way represent Christianity as a whole. Just as any Muslim extremists do not represent every Muslim person.

Op: YANBU - after the killing of Lee Rigby & all the stuff that's going on in Muslim schools, it's very very worrying - anyone who thinks it's just daily mail hysteria is either in denial or completely thick.

Governments like the UK and the USA were quite happy to fund and encourage Islamic extremism abroad, when it was just them dusky folk having their lives ruined, as it suited what they wanted at the time.

Muslims, Jews, Christians, we are all human beings at the end if the day, we are just like 'them.' There are idiots and extremist of all flavours, tarring all Muslims with the brush of extremism will exacerbate the situation and push more moderates toward the only place they feel will accept them.

As it is, it have been Islamic extremists behind most of the recent violence, not Britain First as far as I am aware.

Zaz was being racist and was called on it nothing wrong with that.

I always love to see 'if we went to their country blah blah '. What Country are you talking about exactly?.

What violence are you talking about Dik?

The most recent violence where I am has concerned flags, marching and racism.

Thanks to everyone on mumsnet for helping me to believe in people again, thanks even to the OP with her unsuccessful attempt to promote islamphobia while Muslims and Christians are being subjected to genocide in Palestine.

And to those racists out there, Islam is a religion and not a race. My family is native British and now are third generation Muslims.

Yes there are Islamic extremists and we should be worried about them.

It doesn't matter if the majority of Muslims are peaceful people. The pockets of crazed extremists are very very dangerous people. They don't want peace.

It didn't matter that the majority of Irish people are peaceful, the IRA was a relatively small organisation but the went on to kill and maim innocent people in god awful way.

Extremism and terrorism walk hand in hand and neither have a place in this society and need to be stamped out.

Everybody has a right to live a life in peace. I do think the extremists need to get the fuck out of this country along with any other groups that may do it harm.

People do need to open their eyes. This is not a them and us situation. This is genuinely unhinged people wandering around us all.

Hermione. Fair point, and re-reading the thread I think my post may have been a little harsh; apologies.

I just worry that comments like Zaz made may be made out of fear and unsophisticated observation, rather than deliberate racism, and by attacking them as such, reinforcing the mentality that 'they' are heard and 'we' are not.

I have some Muslim friends that see fundamentalist regimes as medieval and contravening most equality legislation we have in the West.

I have others who would welcome a return to those traditional values.

"plus if anyones notices they were selling baby clothes in asda with 'my first Eid' printed on them."

That to me sounds rather adorable, like baby clothes with "my first Christmas" would be. What is the problem there exactly?

Softlysoftly, the various IRAs are a completely different issue. Where would they have been deported to, the Irish Republic? That's a porous border anyway. They want north and south to be united, who are you to say that people can't advocate for that?

How can you just deport people randomly if they don't fit with "British values?" I'm born in Scotland, my dad's Scottish, my mum's English. I believe strongly in the class war. I'm an extremist. I'm deported where now?

Loads of this is just rhetoric. If you are going to deport a person who is third generation Pakistani (her parents were born here, she was born here) on what grounds would that happen? She is British and no matter what her beliefs are you can't say "Well, you're brown...where does your brown family come from? You'll have to go back there."

It's like the people who say "I think we should prevent benefit claimants from having children." Strangely enough this is absolutely impossible without an eugenics regime to rival 1920s America or 1930s Germany. Kicking UK citizens out for their politics being wrong is equivalent and as impossible and stupid.

Monte - thanks for your apology. It's rare to see on t'internet and I appreciate it.

I also used provocative language which didn't express my point as well as I would have liked.

zaz some of your comment regarding muslims sound similar to that of the daily mail. Regarding practicing christianity in "their country", I am not aure which country you are referring to but Christianity did originate in the middle east not England. It was then brought over to the UK by the Romans and they gradually took over the running of the UK. So in the same way that you fear Britain is being over taken by muslims, Britain was 'overtaken' by Christians many centuries ago. The original British population were pagan rather than Christian.

You may also be surprised to know that St. George, the patron saint of England, is actually Palestinian rather than English. He was an immigrant who came over to the UK with the Romans. You need to look beyond your ignorance and know the history of your own country.

As for the Asda t shirts itsjust a cynical marketing ploy to tap into the spending power of the muslims.

people who think im 'racist' really must be uneducated, 'racist' gets branded on everyone who believes that immigration should be stopped. In actual fact- I have no problem with people of any race, what I do have a problem with is so many immigrants being allowed into the country that their are hardly any jobs left and that muslims march through the streets of luton shouting that if you are not a Muslim then you will burn in the hell fire. Just because I dont agree with the religion taking over DOES NOT MAKE ME RACIST AT ALL

Actually dyou know what someone quote one racist thing that I have said, being a racist means you do not like people from a different race, simple. Did I say that? No

Muslim leaders have condemned extremism on a number of occasions. Who are the leaders that you believe are staying silent?

So its just Muslims you don't like then zazA?

Zaz pretty much all of your previous post shows you have an issue with muslims which you are correct doesn't make you racist as "Muslim" is not a race. It does however make you a raging bigot and more importantly it makes you sound like an utter moron.

from my point of view this country is being slowly taken over my muslims - really how exactly? When the leaders of this country are 99.9% not muslim. When the population as of the 2011 census is only 4.83% muslim. if they can take over the other 85 and a bit % of the country then they must be a highly organised group of creative geniuses

I know many British women who have converted to islam and now wear head scarfs ect and? thats up to them and how many is many because I know precisely none. I know plenty of muslim women who do not wear headscarves. I am married to a muslim yet remain a Christian. Experience does not data make.

I think its ridiculous if we went to their country and practiced Christianity we would probably be hung drawn and quartered! - been to Morocco and Dubai sporting my cross around my neck and all my quarters seem to be attached.

there were a group of muslim men outside my grandmothers church handing out leaflets to help people 'save their selfs by converting to islam - and my dads accountant used to stand outside the shops with a conversion to Christian banner of a saturday, and our door was knocked repeatedly by bloody watchtower carriers trying to convert DH. Your point is?

and tbh david camerons speech before ramadan was a joke saying muslims are the number 1 givers to charity in the UK ect - they probably are. By their religion they HAVE to give a % of salary to charity. Do you?

plus if anyones notices they were selling baby clothes in asda with 'my first Eid' printed on them. - this is where you really scream BIGOT. Why should that be an issue? If you have no issues with Islam, you aren't prejudiced against this one section then why does Asda making profit from baby clothes targeted at a religious festival warrent comment?

No im not a racist im just being realistic. in my area of newcastle there are many streets where ONLY muslims live on them - you've been along and knocked door to door have you? Or do you assume brownish = muslim?