AIBU to think that Islamist Extremism is on the rise in Britain as well as the rest of Europe?

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In schools, local communities, pro ISIS demonstrations etc. with Muslim leaders remaining silent.

Is this something new or was it always there right under the surface?

Have we been to tolerant to people who openly reject our values and want to overthrow our society?

or basket weaving to destress

Or solving world hunger or cancer?

I just flucked on fb and it seemed ib Netherlands Isis are waving banners saying death to Jews.

I will check it now

I thought they wanted to kill everyone.

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/27/isis-s-black-flags-are-flying-in-europe.html

probaly nice name.

Or solving world hunger or cancer?

They are working on the cancer bit:

U.N. chief condemns Iran president’s Israel ‘cancer’ remarks
english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/18/232881.html

But even Iranians thought he was a twat. Isn't he being investigated for 'irregularities' these days? He also said he saw god or somesuch (which caused much hooting and piss taking in Iran).

The new guy seems more sane. I have yet him speak english though and want to hear his keelie accent.

They seem to be young testosterone fuelled men: basket weaving too sedate what about Line Dancing?

I actually do that. mind u the teacher may keep them under control.

line dancing or basket weaving?

dancing but I would do the basket weaving

The late Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution : A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister.

This is so horrifying I can't even express the sick feeling reading it gave me.
I thought I had read all the awful propagated in the name of religion, but this takes some kind of nadir medal.

Why is it cruel? That's just the way it is. Men have different dress rules. That's just the way it is as well.

No, it isn't 'just the way it is', it's some oppressive nobody from the fourteenth century making rules to suit themselves.

It is not the way it is. Most civilised people believe women and men should be equal and women should wear what they want.

Iran was better off under the Shah.

I've never heard of anyone marrying off a child in Iran. Not even a 'friend of a friends hairdressers cousins next door neighbours friend'. It really isn't like that there.

Iranians see him as a weirdo foreigner with very backward views. It was the dirt poor/uneducated peasants who got him into power. He also said the economics was for donkeys, so I guess it was up to the almighty to run the country?

I think Iranians tend to be more westernised. my df is married to a lovely guy from Iran but they refer to it as Persi and she tell me stuff about his family who live there.

Not 'westernised'. Remember they aren't arab (they are aryans) and have their own very rich culture of arts, literature, architecture, history, reigion... which they revere. Education is highly regarded - boys and girls. Monarchists will call it Persia.

If you see an Iranian you would probably think they were Italian. It's a distinct 'look' and not just features - they way they talk, move, treat each other (very friendly, gentle, don't yell like some places!).

Sadly, the revolution and war with Iraq decimated the population, the revolution completely buggering up the economy (and society). The younger generations are leaving in their droves.

I know they aren't Arab nice . also farsi has similarities to latin languages I believe. lovely people

Yes, I've been there for work. I think it is utterly appalling you have to cover up (if you are female) and that the populace tolerate such engrained discrimination against women. It is much worse there than in the days o f the Shah.

Oh Persia sounds nice.

Pre-revolution you didn't need to cover up. Some women did - a bit like the black-clad women you see in the villages of spain and italy - but noone was compelled. So its only a recent(ish) thing there really.

I do like the story I read in The Times (last year?) of the spotty-youth 'morals police' who was set upon, knocked out and de-bagged by some pissed off women when he tried to tell one off for having a headscarf not covering her hair.

Each time I've got back on a plane for the UK from Teheran just about all the Iranian women on the flight immediately take off their head coverings.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2725475/Why-aren-t-British-Muslims-condemning-maniacs-killing-Islam-From-leading-Muslim-voice-troubling-question.html

Another great article by Dr Taj

I actually wonder (seriously) if a lot of the aggression in so many religions is caused by lack of sleep for practitioners because of the requirement to pray many times a day especially at night/daybreak. I just don't think these kind of schedules are compatible with the pressures of the modern world which is stressful enough even without lack of sleep.

For example, Muslims have to pray 5 times a day and Jews have to pray 3 times a day. All this broken sleep could produce so many mental health problems similar to those seen in patients with chronic long term extreme insomnia, including aggression, hallucinations, paranoia etc.

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/3998620/Lack-of-sleep-really-can-affect-a-persons-sanity-research-shows..html

yes Jimmy very common sense article

My Iranian friend does that, Greengrow. It's her life experience that prompted my original questions actually as to why anyone would choose to cover in a country where it is not required. I think some of it is fashion and wishing to be perceived as different by the rest of the population.