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Why can't our neighbours go to the back of their garden to smoke?

153 replies

shadypines · 16/07/2014 16:41

They have a large garden and could easily walk away from the house to light up so that the smoke doesn't all blow into our windows. It's horrible and in this sweltering weather it means we either boil in 'fresh' air or have some cooler smoky air. Great. Just great.

OP posts:
aderynlas · 17/07/2014 08:30

Have you tried going round to see your neighbours Ikea. Tell them about your little lads breathing difficulty. You might be able to sort something out, must be worth a try. All the best with the new baby.

shockinglybadteacher · 17/07/2014 08:37

Ikea, my DN would spend the entire year in wellies and possibly even go to bed in them if allowed Grin

I don't think you are being PFB at all, PFB to me is sort of like when you expect the world to revolve around your child - no-one should ever be allowed to criticise them ever, they should be able to whip out a potty and shit in the middle of a crowded restaurant , if they bite anyone else it's because the selfish muggle child didn't realise your PFB was an Indigo and needed special treatment etc. Noticing your child is affected by smoke fumes is a bit different!

I wonder, some councils here do this and it might be the same in Sweden I dunno, there are mediators. You do not seem very comfortable talking to the neighbours (I've got a couple I'd rather run a mile than talk to as well) but if there was an opportunity for mediation between you and them so you can discuss that the smoke does affect your DS and so you have the worry that he might get ill as well as your pregnancy, they might stop smoking there. Does that sort of service exist where you are?

rose202 · 17/07/2014 11:01

OP I'm an ex smoker so understand both sides, yanbu for not wanting their smoke in your house but also yabu to want to dictate their perfectly legal activities on their own land.

I have a smoking neighbour & I just open all the windows on the ground floor so as fast as the smoke comes in it just gets channelled out of another window & is gone.

I also don't drive & it wouldn't occur to me to ask them to not let their engine idle on their drive which creates stinky fumes. I don't have toddlers but I wouldn't go round & make a fuss about their toddlers screeching in the garden on weekend mornings while I'm still in bed. I have primary age children but I don't object to their late night garden parties. Being neighbours is partly about compromise & having read some threads on here I'm glad I don't have truly nightmare neighbours. A bit of smoke is annoying yes but its not the end of the world.

hellsbellsmelons · 17/07/2014 11:04

I do this.
I check to see if they have windows open and if they do will stand away.
If the other side also have windows open then I go to the back of the garden.
As a 'considerate' smoker it's not rocket science.
But I only smoke maybe 2 in the evening anyway.

ObfusKate · 17/07/2014 11:37

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fromparistoberlin73 · 17/07/2014 11:43

its their garden YABU

and its not comparable to what scholes said, who is not BU

ikeaismylocal · 17/07/2014 12:02

The problem with people smoking outside in order to protect their family and home from smoke is that the smoke is much more likely to effect other people, my neighbours close all their windows and doors before they smoke to prevent the smoke going into their own home but as we don't know when they are going to smoke the first we would know of it is when our home already has smoke in it.

Plenty I'm not concerned that the 15 seconds the door is open every couple of weeks is going to let enough bird poo to make ds's asthma worse, I have not been advised to avoid bird poo, I don't let ds play in the bird poo.

I haven't told the neighbours about the effect second hand smoke could have on ds, they don't care that their smoke comes into our home and I feel that it would be almost blackmail if I say to them that their smoking could cause ds breathing difficulties. I never see them because we don't use the balcony and we don't share an entrance, I don't think I'd recognise them or they'd recognise us if we walked past each other in the street. I don't know if mediation would be an option as neither them or us are doing anything illegal, there has been no aggressive words, there has been no communication at all, people in Sweden tend to communicate by angry notes rather than actually talking to each other. I think that is the only reason they stopped smoking the summer dp asked them because they were terrified that dp might talk to them again.

There are very strict rules, no bbqs on balconies, not even electric ones, no cats unless they are on a lead Confused if you break those rules you get in trouble but otherwise there isn't any consequences even if youraactions are unpleasant for your neighbours.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 17/07/2014 12:08

So it would be blackmail to tell them your son has breathing difficulties but it's sane and rational to shit up your own balcony in the hope it makes them stop smoking on theirs? And it's reasonable and fair to encourage your child to disturb them in the small hours of the morning rather than just speak to them?

I think you're being really quite peculiar about this.

specialsubject · 17/07/2014 12:10

haven't read whole thread, but most smokers can't smell their own stench and believe in the magic curtain that means it won't go into the house. They certainly won't give a toss about yours.

Selfish and unpleasant, yes. Fortunately the stuff is quite toxic.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 17/07/2014 12:23

I have not been advised to avoid bird poo

Why on earth would it occur to your doctor that you had a balcony full of bird shit? Confused

I am reminded of the old Young Ones sketch -

Mike: Maybe you shouldn't have poured all of that washing-up liquid into it.
Vyvyan: It says here "ensure machine is clean and free from dust"!
Mike: Yeah, but it don't say "ensure machine is full of washing-up liquid"!
Vyvyan: Yeah, but it doesn't say "ensure machine isn't full of washing-up liquid"!
Mike: Well, it wouldn't would it? I mean, it doesn't say "ensure you don't chop up your video machine with an axe, put all the bits in a plastic bag and bung them down the lavatory!"
Vyvyan: Doesn't it? Well maybe that's where we're going wrong!

Icimoi · 17/07/2014 12:27

yabu to want to dictate their perfectly legal activities on their own land.

She hasn't said she wants to dictate it. It's not that unreasonable to suggest they could show a bit of consideration, is it?

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 17/07/2014 12:27

haven't read whole thread

You never do, special. You just pop in, post nasty shit like this -

Fortunately the stuff is quite toxic.

  • and then never return.

100,000 deaths each year in the UK alone. All actual people with family and friends who love them.

Shame on you.

ikeaismylocal · 17/07/2014 12:28

My own balcony is empty, the stuff is in the space between the 2 balconies, you can't see this space unless you are on the balcony which we never are.

They know full well that their smoke comes into our home, they don't care about this. If we tell them how much their smoking could effect ds and they still choose to smoke it would make me feel really upset and extremely angry.

I don't understand how people can knowingly expose others to dangerous smoke, there seems to be very little consideration to other people when smokers light up, it is not illegal to smoke on train/bus stations here and regularly people come and sit next to me ( I have a very visible bump and toddler) and light a cigarette, I say to them that I'm aware they are within their rights to smoke but I feel I should warn them that I am suffering from morning sickness and the smell of smoke is likely to make me vomit on their shoes

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 17/07/2014 12:41

Ikea, if your DP spoke to them once, why doesn't he do it again? They may have just thought it was an issue while you were PG - if they never see you, they won't know you are pg again or anything about your son.

They'll never put it right if they don't know what is wrong!

expatinscotland · 17/07/2014 16:22

Some people are very irrational about this. Very. To the point where their fixation appears to need professional intervention.

And no, I don't smoke. I am an ex-smoker.

pictish · 17/07/2014 16:55

Totally irrational...and puffed up to fuck about their irrationality as well.
It's laughable really.

HaroldLloyd · 17/07/2014 17:06

Ikea I mean this kindly but talking to them has got to be better than stuffing rubbish between the balconies.

You just end up in a spiral unless you talk to them. Even if they won't not smoke (which to be honest they probably won't as they only have they balcony) maybe they would give you a shout first so you can shut the window.

As it is they might just think you are a noisy smelly neighbour.

BlueSkySunnyDay · 17/07/2014 17:20

My children played football in the cannabis smoke cloud from next door then worked their way through the contents of my fridge.

Personally id do nothing in my garden that pisses off my neighbours but I think people are on the whole self centered assholes these days (I guess I'm old fashioned!!)

maddy68 · 17/07/2014 18:32

Yabu I'm a non smoker and hate the smell but they are entitled to smoke wherever they want to on their own property.

ObfusKate · 17/07/2014 18:53

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Appletini · 18/07/2014 20:45

Haven't read whole thread but we don't smoke inside as we rent and are not allowed.

samsam123 · 18/07/2014 21:47

if you are a non smoker then yes this a problem its disgusting. My neighbour sits all day in her garden smoking yes chain smoking I have to close my windows and doors if I want to breathe fresh air in my own house, If you want to smoke go in your house.

expatinscotland · 19/07/2014 02:02

You can't smoke in your house often if you rent.

I don't smoke. We live on flats surrounded by those who do. It doesn't bother me, so not all non-smokers are disgusted.

catherinemm · 19/07/2014 12:18

I feel some of the thoughts in this thread show that those who have not experienced neighbour smoke really don't understand how bad it can be. I live in a flat and My neighbours below us smoke - in fact they are not even the flat below but one below that. We have a lovely balcony but cannot enjoy it as when they spark up its filled with the stench of fags and the fumes are palatable. We cannot have our windows open because if we do it's like someone is smoking in our flat - in fact when it first happened I though my ex smoking OH has started smoking again!! I do understand that smoking is not illegal and they can smoke in their flat and on their balcony but due to the effect it has on us (and the fact we have a 2 year old and I'm pregant so the health affects are more extreme for us) I have tried to reason with them - asking that they lean over their balcony rail to smoke based on the though that that would help the fumes go outward instead of upwards. But they don't really care and haven't changed what they do. So I'm now stuck - no right to control their behaviour yet it affects the quality of my family life and home daily. So OP, yanbu, smoking neighbours are a massive pain and I feel for you.

heraldgerald · 20/07/2014 14:12

Ikea, you must communicate with your neighbours about the health implications. You are putting yourself through a lot of negative headspace, which I understand having had very inconsiderate neighbours before. Write a letter and explain it step by step. It really helped me when I did it abd the situation improved when they really understood the level of distress their thoughtless behaviour was causing.

Op, again talk calmly to them. Explain how difficult you find it. I'm sure they won't be surprised.

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