To be glad Judy Murray isn't my MIL?

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I am sure that she is a perfectly pleasant person and obviously immensely proud of her son; but all of this publicity about appearing on national TV (I think it was 'Strictly') and front page news today in the Evening Standard 'serving coffee to fans', makes me think she is being a wee bit possessive and trying to upstage the fiancée? Or is that being too harsh?

I'll reserve final judgement until (or IF) Andy gets married to his gorgeous GF Kim - if Judy prances around on their wedding day wearing a white dress and grabbing all the attention, I'll be feeling pretty damn sorry for his bride. I do sometimes think Judy is a tad over-confident and pushy

Is this a dream you had daisy?

I'll reserve final judgement until (or IF) Andy gets married to his gorgeous GF Kim - if Judy prances around on their wedding day wearing a white dress and grabbing all the attention, I'll be feeling pretty damn sorry for his bride.

Well, let me set your mind at ease on that vital point. Here is a picture from Jamie's wedding a couple of years ago, and not a meringue in sight from Mama Murray. She appears to be wearing a dark coloured outfit.

Over confident and pushy

Would you say that about a man?

I'm still at growing old disgracefully. She isn't even old

Your OP was pretty horrible

And Vino. Fuck off with the "always grumpy" shite for Andy. He has a sweet, shy nature and as cracking sense of humour.

We met her at Gatwick, and she's a lovely warm woman. I don't know why she gets so much hate. I think we can guarantee that if his Dad had the same profile no-one would have a problem with it. Even though it's tennis and women play it too, there seems to be a nasty under-current of 'this is no place for a woman to be', same with the hate Andy's new female coach is getting.

Absolutely exit, if I felt they were being over-confident and pushy! Just a personal opinion, but I can't stand over-bearing people who want to be centre-stage all the time (tedious).

Fideliney you'll have to put me out of my misery - I'm bound to have said something stupid in that post of mine (I normally put my foot in it somehow), but I can't work out what ....

She's actually surprisingly softly spoken.

I say "surprisingly" because some of that mysoginistic shite propagated by the tabloid press must have penetrated my subconscious and I did actually expect her to sound like a sergeant major when she talked.

Quite the opposite.

Aw Andy looks so happy in Jamie's wedding picture!

They're clearly lovely blokes, so she's done something right.

Thanks pumpkin, I feel suitably relieved she can behave herself when the need arises. I just hope the Strictly experience hasn't gone to her head (too much).

I would love an MIL who was so passionate and into her thing and who was such a massive success. Those are exactly the kinds of qualities that would make her interested in her own life and precisely not in things like upstaging DILs.

So refreshing to read this thread with so many sane and reasonable posters on it.

Yes op, YABVU.

This thread would not be started if she was male.
Many contestants have been on strictly for being slightly famous but with a more famous relative/partner, so what?? Was Jonny Ball an embarrassment to his family? Was Jenson Button's partner?

Seriously sexist and ageist.

Daisy I just meant it's a teeny bit mean to be 'reserving judgement' on the basis the poor woman might do something awfully specific based on no evidence

pumpkin, I feel suitably relieved she can behave herself when the need arises

Sweet Jesus on a pongo stick, she always behaves herself.

It's bad enough enough when men come out with this woman hating tripe, but for women to do it is beyond the pale.

Once you actually hear her speaking about her sons and tennis she sounds absolutely lovely and not deserving the flack she gets in the papers

I've obviously touched a nerve here!

I don't know the woman and I am willing to accept she's a very nice individual.

I agree that equality between the sexes is achieved when both men and women are equally free to make fools of themselves in public; and yes, I am sure that the famous tennis sisters are equally embarrassed by their Dad.

Far from 'projecting' mother/son issues, I suspect that some posters are overly protective mothers, who resent 'intruders' and are determined to fight for their position as No 1 in their DC's life.

I hadn't read the interview with Andy Murray but feel completely vindicated that he has said openly that he hopes his mum doesn't do strictly.

And yes, grow disgracefully, but there is a world of difference between completely privately and on the world stage, when your son is such a well known and respected figure.

I've obviously touched a nerve here!

Keep digging away with your pickaxe.

so HIS opinion over rides his mums wish to do something? Women can only do something if the men in their lives agree

OP the 1950's called - they want their opinions back

Far from 'projecting' mother/son issues, I suspect that some posters are overly protective mothers, who resent 'intruders' and are determined to fight for their position as No 1 in their DC's life.

Do you fancy having even a vague stab at supporting that theory with any specific quotes from the thread, then?

... Wow.

YABU. And every reply you give makes it about 20x more unreasonable.

Judy can't be my MIL but I would love her to be a friend / colleague. If you listen to her on DID you get a sense of how she has been misunderstood by some people/sections of the press.

She is very self deprecating and truly loves sport and health. She is very committed to her local community and to introducing tennis to children. She also loves cake and has a great sense of humour.

She has been a huge Strictly fan for years. We see her at the Glasgow shows so if she does participate she won't be jumping on any bandwagon.

women are equally free to make fools of themselves in public and grow disgracefully, but there is a world of difference between completely privately and on the world stage

so ball room dancing and serving coffee are disgraceful and embarrassing?

wow!

also I thought this was about AM's poor sidelined GF - you seem to have forgotten her - still waiting for you to tell us all what awfuling his mum did to her?

Well, to be honest Fideliney I could have put [light-hearted] after my comment - really I don't have anything against Judy - I haven't met her personally so I don't suppose any comment I make will cause her harm.

I tend to take a somewhat 'arms-length' approach to any person in the public eye, they are just people at the end of the day.

But as to being a bit judgy, yup 'cuff me constable', I suppose I am.

Abby Clancy was great on strictly - but what was her claim to fame?

Is it more of an issue because Judy Murray is older?

I don't know which is worse here - the ageism or the sexism. Thank goodness for so many posters challenging this.
References to "woolly minded old duffers" and "old biddies" often go unchallenged.
Judy Murray isn't even very old.

"I hadn't read the interview with Andy Murray but feel completely vindicated that he has said openly that he hopes his mum doesn't do strictly."

Why? If a son says he hopes his mother don't do something harmless and fun, why does his opinion matter more than the person actually doing it? And, "god, I hope not!" is clearly an off the cuff answer, hardly some kind of disowning his parent.

Care to list your lifetime achievements op?