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annoyed vegan mum

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PairOfTerrors · 27/05/2014 00:44

Hi everyone

Something happened today and I am still wondering how I should have approached it. I am fully ready for people to say IWU, but would love some insight either way.

My twin DS' are in year 1 and a little boy joined at the beginning of the academic year who has been raised raw vegan (only child, single parent family.) He gets on well with DS' and I don't know the mum too well but I've heard through the grapevine that she has been under a lot of stress lately for various reasons. We got chatting a few days ago and she mentioned how she desperately just wanted a day to herself, to clear her head etc, so I offered to take her DS for today (Bank holiday) to give her some alone time.

She always gives DS his own snacks for parties etc, and she told everyone quite early on about her way of eating, just so things were clear and people didn't start asking her lots of questions. Her and DS only really eat raw, uncooked foods such as fruits, vegetables nuts and seeds. She also said they don't eat bread (I am not too clued up on raw veganism so am not 100% sure on the reasoning)

Anyhow I was out doing the food shop yesterday and noticed some yummy looking veggie burgers. DH and I are not vegetarian but I grew up with a vegetarian sister so my DM would often buy veggie options so I actually really love veggie burgers and we often have them. They came in packs of 6 so I thought I'd buy them, give one to (let's call him James) and then DH, my 2 and I could have 4 (with one leftover) for dinner. I also bought lots of nice fruit to make him a fruit salad (we are usually very boring with fruit, just apples, oranges, bananas, the occasional pear!) but I got some mangoes, pineapple and a few other things. I knew his mum would pack him a lunch but I thought, just to take the stress off a little, I'd get him a few things also.

So I phone her a couple of hours later to confirm everything was still on and she said it was and that she'd make him a lunch. I told her about what I bought and she seemed really touched and said she'd pack him some carrot sticks and hummus too (his favourite). So James comes round today and come lunch time, he has his veggie burger with a side of sweet corn, peas and some avocado, with his fruit salad for afters. My 2 were having cheese ham and salad sandwiches and a yogurt after. James takes one look at his meal, looks at my kids' sandwiches, and refuses to eat his. Now I KNOW he likes veggie burgers, it's what he seems to often have at parties and when I spoke to his mum on the phone I double checked, and I told her that it's not a problem if he doesn't like them as I'm sure DH and I could finish off the spare one out of the pack of 6 (so I really don't feel like she felt obliged to say yes he does like them just to be polite). I'm sure she'd have said "actually sorry but he's not really keen on them..." or whatever. But as I say I have definitely seen him eat them before and I was assured they would be fine.

I noticed he wasn't eating (he nibbled on the carrot sticks and avocado) so asked if he wasn't hungry. He said that he was, but could he please have a sandwich. I told him that he had his veggie burger instead etc etc and he just said he didn't want it and would rather have a sandwich. I said that I don't think his mummy would want him having a sandwich and yada yada (basically trying to convince him to eat his burger. I also asked him if there was anything he wanted instead) and he was adamant he wanted a sandwich. I tried ringing his mum to get her opinion, and perhaps she could speak to him but it went straight to voicemail. I tried twice more in the space of 30 minutes and texted her but still no reply. It all seemed strange because as I say he always has his own snacks at parties and I've never seen him complain or demand to eat what the other children are. He doesn't know any different so why now did he suddenly want some bread too? He was clearly hungry but determined he didn't want to eat his burger or even his fruit salad. At this point I'm thinking a) give him some bread, although it may piss mum off or b) let him go hungry which is firstly mean and secondly would his mum be angry and actually say something well "so he hasn't eaten all day? Could you not have just given him a little bread??"

Thinking that the latter would be worse, I caved and gave him one slice of bread which he had with his avocado and some tomato. He scoffed it down and 2 minutes later they ran off to carry on playing. Anyway fast forward to pick up time and I told his mum he had refused to eat any of his food so I gave him some bread. She immediately looked horrified, like I had told her I had murdered a kitten. She said "oh...really? Ok then...was there nothing else he could have had instead of the burger?" I told her that I had offered to make him other things (hell I even had whipped my phone out and googled "raw vegan recipes for kids!" and read off a few things but he insisted no...he wanted the bread. I told her I didn't want him going hungry and she said "well ok then, you do realise (in a sort of half laughy scoffy type voice) that that's the first time he's eaten bread??"

Now as I say I am not clued up on raw veganism. I understand it is very strict, far more so than "regular" veganism, but hell it's not like I had given him a hotdog or even a piece of cheese! It was a slice of bread..I don't mean to be disrespectful of someone else's lifestyle but I really didn't think she'd react like that and like I said earlier, I was worried that she'd be annoyed at me for letting him go hungry and actually suggest that I could have given him just a little piece. Oh and she hadn't answered her phone as it was dead and she had left her charger at work.

So they left with her pretty pissed off with me. And now I'm just wondering how in the wrong I was, or what I should have done. I know nothing can be changed now and I apologised but what would you have done? Is she right to be pissed off? Am I right to be pissed off?

OP posts:
slithytove · 27/05/2014 02:02

You know, I think if once things have cooled down, you went to James' mum and said something like:

"I want to apologise again, it was a foolish mistake and I could have avoided it by giving the kids all the same food. We would love to have James over again, would you be able to give me a list of food he can have as raw veganism is new to me"

If she then doesn't forgive and forget and take you up on your kind offer, well then at least you are the bigger person, and it will be her fault that her son loses out.

I don't think you did wrong, maybe just a bit silly! I feel sorry for her son being forbidden all these things that he wants to try.

PairOfTerrors · 27/05/2014 02:08

Good idea slithytove. He is a sweet boy! and DS' get on well with him so would be a shame if his mum never let him come round again. I will wait a few days and give her a buzz if I don't see her at the school. I'm just hoping I haven't now triggered a sudden love of bread...I can't help but picture a screaming 6 year old at home demanding bread and refusing to eat all his raw vegan food now!

OP posts:
dorasee · 27/05/2014 04:35

I'd have an 'eat at home/ come to ours after lunch' policy with this child's mother from now on. YANBU. I think you've tried your hardest to deal with a difficult situation.

PrincessBabyCat · 27/05/2014 06:01

This gluten free trend has gotten out of hand anyway. Our yogurts and popcorn seeds are now being marketed as gluten free. What sort of yogurt had gluten in the first place??

I wouldn't worry about it. Vegans are always a little precious about their diets.

Tangerinefairy · 27/05/2014 06:01

Do not feel bad!! You did your best. Poor kid. I know several children who have been brought up on very restrictive diets like this and it is horrible for them at parties and other social occasions. I would be very put off having her child again I'm afraid as unfair as that sounds.

Tangerinefairy · 27/05/2014 06:03

Or do as dorasee suggests.

ManchesterAunt · 27/05/2014 06:22

Yabu

slithytove · 27/05/2014 06:23

Coal is gluten free Grin
So is semen in case anyone was wondering.
And lots and lots of liquors.

CoffeeTea103 · 27/05/2014 06:46

Poor kid, it seems cruel to force him to adopt this way of life. It's a choice he needs to make. He's probably always looking at other kids eating and wanting to try something.

Delphiniumsblue · 27/05/2014 06:49

I wouldn't worry. She is going to have far more of a problem in the future because he is getting to the age where he is going to choose and it is clear that he doesn't have her views upon food. He clearly likes bread, will want to eat bread and he will in the future. You had good intentions.

PrimalLass · 27/05/2014 07:12

Not everyone who avoids gluten is genuinely coeliac.
It's the new devil food to avoid amongst faddy eaters.

This drives me crazy. You don't have to have coeliac disease to be gluten intolerant. People with thyroid disorders (me) are advised to avoid gluten too. Plus those with fibromyalgia, arthritis etc. etc.

I am about as far from a faddy eater as you can get, but get awful stomach pains if I eat gluten.

PrimalLass · 27/05/2014 07:14

This gluten free trend has gotten out of hand anyway. Our yogurts and popcorn seeds are now being marketed as gluten free. What sort of yogurt had gluten in the first place??

The type that had barley malt added as a sweetener, maybe.

Eastpoint · 27/05/2014 07:20

My DCs are older now but my experience even when they were younger was that children on restricted diets tended to be very careful about what they ate, lots of questions about exactly what was on their plates. I'm surprised she didn't run through everything when she dropped him off.

SanityClause · 27/05/2014 07:33

Two of my DC are gluten intolerant, but not coeliac.

DS, in particular, used to have an upset tummy every evening. He couldn't sleep because of tummy pain, and used to say "my tummy hates me!".

Now, he avoids gluten, eggs and dairy, and is much better.

But apparently, that's all just me being faddy about his diet.

Silvercatowner · 27/05/2014 07:42

Barley malt is the devils work. It's widely used as a sweetener. Another 'faddy eater' here - I gave up gluten last year and my IBS completely disappeared.

CalamitouslyWrong · 27/05/2014 07:50

How exactly does hummus raw anyway (even under the torturous definition provided by the pp whose family member runs a so-called raw vegan restaurant)? You have to cook chickpeas (for ages) at a temperature to break them down and make them soft. Then whack them in the food processor with other ingredients (including tahini, which isn't exactly 'unprocessed' either). If bread is a problem because of high temp cooking and the wheat being processed in various ways, then hummus should be too.

bochead · 27/05/2014 07:54

DS had to have a week off school twice in his first half term D&V because despite my filling in all the medical forms with his diagnosis and telling the teacher repeatedly - he was given dairy, despite having a chock packed lunch box from home daily.

I wonder how she copes with the lunch box police with a diet like that tbh as what's deemed a healthy lunch by schools was at odds with my son's NHS clinical dietitian's advice on several occasions. I hated having to go in to "discuss" it Sad as it felt like I just couldn't win.

Honestly I think you should have served everyone the same meal - it's just so much simpler all round. I'd apologise to her for not doing that, but in future would make all play dates post main meal times to avoid the kids suffering as a result of the frosting over of adult relations.

Health, religious, or sensible ethical reasons I can utterly cater for and respect, though I have to warn people that because of my own son's special diet, our kitchen is far from nut free. Loony toons fanatics right out of a California style cult I haven't really got time for.

Does anyone predict that in 10 years this lad is almost guaranteed to pop in at Greggs on the way to school, and McD's or the chip shop on his way home? Wink. I'll be willing to bet his student food cupboard won't contain a single bean sprout ever.

newsecretidentity · 27/05/2014 07:58

Aww, these things happen. My two are vegetarian, but before they were old enough to tell the difference, there were a couple of mishaps where they went on playdates and someone forgot and gave them a meat sausage or something.

My response is usually "Oops! Oh well... So long as everybody had a good time!" It's a chance you take when you let other people look after your kids.

There would usually be a tummy ache later, since their body wasn't used to digesting meat. That's how they learned to say "Oh hey, is that veggie?"

Tangerinefairy · 27/05/2014 07:58

Well said bochead. Having known and taught several children in a similar situation to the one that OP describes I can safetly say that any potential harm that might have been caused to him from eating a piece of bread is far surpassed by the continual embarrassment of being singled out and not allowed any of the food his friends are eating. He will indeed end up in Greggs and who can blame him?

Tangerinefairy · 27/05/2014 07:59

newsecretidentity, you also sound incredibly sensible and nice!

Lagoonablue · 27/05/2014 08:00

Silly diet for a child IMO. And say that a as a vegetarian of many years.

antimatter · 27/05/2014 08:03

you don't have to cook chickpeas for hummus, you can sprout them instead

I never used to add tahini to mu hummus when I make my at home, just some olive oil.

Raw veganism is a diet that combines the concepts of veganism and raw foodism. It excludes all food and products of animal origin, as well as food cooked at a temperature above 48 °C

diddl · 27/05/2014 08:09

If he's not allergic/intolerant, & it's his mum's beliefs fuelling this, why can't he decide for himself when out & about?

RunBikeRun · 27/05/2014 08:11

Did you check if the bread had dairy in it? A lot do have, as with the vegetarian burgers, my DS is severely allergic to Dairy and it's amazing what foods have it in.
My DS has a very restricted diet due to allergies and I'm always surprised when people choose these for their children, it's bloody hard work and I see first hand the upset of not being allowed to have the same food as friends and he has a total understanding of why.

sashh · 27/05/2014 08:12

What slithytove said.

You made a mistake but did it to make a small child happy.

I would have served everyone the same as well, but you didn't any you can't change the past.

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