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annoyed vegan mum

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PairOfTerrors · 27/05/2014 00:44

Hi everyone

Something happened today and I am still wondering how I should have approached it. I am fully ready for people to say IWU, but would love some insight either way.

My twin DS' are in year 1 and a little boy joined at the beginning of the academic year who has been raised raw vegan (only child, single parent family.) He gets on well with DS' and I don't know the mum too well but I've heard through the grapevine that she has been under a lot of stress lately for various reasons. We got chatting a few days ago and she mentioned how she desperately just wanted a day to herself, to clear her head etc, so I offered to take her DS for today (Bank holiday) to give her some alone time.

She always gives DS his own snacks for parties etc, and she told everyone quite early on about her way of eating, just so things were clear and people didn't start asking her lots of questions. Her and DS only really eat raw, uncooked foods such as fruits, vegetables nuts and seeds. She also said they don't eat bread (I am not too clued up on raw veganism so am not 100% sure on the reasoning)

Anyhow I was out doing the food shop yesterday and noticed some yummy looking veggie burgers. DH and I are not vegetarian but I grew up with a vegetarian sister so my DM would often buy veggie options so I actually really love veggie burgers and we often have them. They came in packs of 6 so I thought I'd buy them, give one to (let's call him James) and then DH, my 2 and I could have 4 (with one leftover) for dinner. I also bought lots of nice fruit to make him a fruit salad (we are usually very boring with fruit, just apples, oranges, bananas, the occasional pear!) but I got some mangoes, pineapple and a few other things. I knew his mum would pack him a lunch but I thought, just to take the stress off a little, I'd get him a few things also.

So I phone her a couple of hours later to confirm everything was still on and she said it was and that she'd make him a lunch. I told her about what I bought and she seemed really touched and said she'd pack him some carrot sticks and hummus too (his favourite). So James comes round today and come lunch time, he has his veggie burger with a side of sweet corn, peas and some avocado, with his fruit salad for afters. My 2 were having cheese ham and salad sandwiches and a yogurt after. James takes one look at his meal, looks at my kids' sandwiches, and refuses to eat his. Now I KNOW he likes veggie burgers, it's what he seems to often have at parties and when I spoke to his mum on the phone I double checked, and I told her that it's not a problem if he doesn't like them as I'm sure DH and I could finish off the spare one out of the pack of 6 (so I really don't feel like she felt obliged to say yes he does like them just to be polite). I'm sure she'd have said "actually sorry but he's not really keen on them..." or whatever. But as I say I have definitely seen him eat them before and I was assured they would be fine.

I noticed he wasn't eating (he nibbled on the carrot sticks and avocado) so asked if he wasn't hungry. He said that he was, but could he please have a sandwich. I told him that he had his veggie burger instead etc etc and he just said he didn't want it and would rather have a sandwich. I said that I don't think his mummy would want him having a sandwich and yada yada (basically trying to convince him to eat his burger. I also asked him if there was anything he wanted instead) and he was adamant he wanted a sandwich. I tried ringing his mum to get her opinion, and perhaps she could speak to him but it went straight to voicemail. I tried twice more in the space of 30 minutes and texted her but still no reply. It all seemed strange because as I say he always has his own snacks at parties and I've never seen him complain or demand to eat what the other children are. He doesn't know any different so why now did he suddenly want some bread too? He was clearly hungry but determined he didn't want to eat his burger or even his fruit salad. At this point I'm thinking a) give him some bread, although it may piss mum off or b) let him go hungry which is firstly mean and secondly would his mum be angry and actually say something well "so he hasn't eaten all day? Could you not have just given him a little bread??"

Thinking that the latter would be worse, I caved and gave him one slice of bread which he had with his avocado and some tomato. He scoffed it down and 2 minutes later they ran off to carry on playing. Anyway fast forward to pick up time and I told his mum he had refused to eat any of his food so I gave him some bread. She immediately looked horrified, like I had told her I had murdered a kitten. She said "oh...really? Ok then...was there nothing else he could have had instead of the burger?" I told her that I had offered to make him other things (hell I even had whipped my phone out and googled "raw vegan recipes for kids!" and read off a few things but he insisted no...he wanted the bread. I told her I didn't want him going hungry and she said "well ok then, you do realise (in a sort of half laughy scoffy type voice) that that's the first time he's eaten bread??"

Now as I say I am not clued up on raw veganism. I understand it is very strict, far more so than "regular" veganism, but hell it's not like I had given him a hotdog or even a piece of cheese! It was a slice of bread..I don't mean to be disrespectful of someone else's lifestyle but I really didn't think she'd react like that and like I said earlier, I was worried that she'd be annoyed at me for letting him go hungry and actually suggest that I could have given him just a little piece. Oh and she hadn't answered her phone as it was dead and she had left her charger at work.

So they left with her pretty pissed off with me. And now I'm just wondering how in the wrong I was, or what I should have done. I know nothing can be changed now and I apologised but what would you have done? Is she right to be pissed off? Am I right to be pissed off?

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2014 20:35

We should try to be considerate and fair to both guests and hosts.

If cutting out "treats" for one meal is impossible, something is seriously wrong.
If the requirement is just no pork, or avoiding allergies like nuts, wheat, dairy, then it's usually easy to organise a meal that everyone can eat.

A delicious healthy vegetarian or cooked vegan meal is also simple, unless your DCs are very picky or have SN.

However, raw vegan meals are much more difficult for the unexperienced, because so many of the usual options for the rest of us have been excluded, e.g. starches like bread, quinoa, brown rice, pasta. Also, cooked beans, veg curries, stir fries.
Raw veg, salad, fruit & nuts are not enough on their own to be an enjoyable meal for most of us.

I understand raw vegans have other customs and I respect that. I'm just saying we're very different, not that someone is "wrong".

The OP went to a lot of trouble to provide suitable tasty food and she sounds a lovely, kind person, who was only doing a favour.
She tried hard to bridge a major lifestyle difference, so she should NOT feel bad.

I think that if James's mum wants to prevent him begging or sneaking food against her wishes, then for the next few years she needs to accompany him when he visits outside the raw vegan social circle.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2014 20:37

unexperienced inexperienced

Gileswithachainsaw · 28/05/2014 20:40

I think everyone's in agreement that the op is a good person who was just trying to be nice and did go to cast lengths.

The problem on this tread now is other posters attitudes towards the mum of the boy, and their dietary practices. It doesn't seem to matter to any one and there's a lot of. Dis respect and people who see for to make decisions for other people's children based on their ideas of how things should be.

Fairenuff · 28/05/2014 22:28

I didn't say parents should give children the choice to live off choc,sweets,crisps etc. It doesn't follow the same logic at all.
We, as parents, restrict those things in a diet to prevent tooth decay and obesity and because they're not healthy. Neither, imo, is restricting them so severely on a vegan diet.

My point wasn't about diet though. It could just as easy be something else. The parent could say they don't allow their child to watch tv, or a particular programme on tv, or to play certain computer games, or to play with toy guns. The point is, OP was asked, specifically not to allow 'x' - and she did it anyway.

In the ops story the boy wanted some bread, he should have been able to decide for himself.

Not if it was expressly against his mother's wishes.

BeCool · 28/05/2014 23:07

I bet the veggie burgers, approved by vegan mum, had breadcrumbs in them

fascicle · 29/05/2014 09:11

That's possible BeCool, although there are vegan burgers which contain wheat rather than breadcrumbs, and some which contain no wheat/breadcrumbs at all. Even if the burger in question contained breadcrumbs, we don't know the reasoning behind the avoidance of bread. Maybe a burger with breadcrumbs might be viewed differently to bread.

HolidayCriminal · 29/05/2014 15:56

Pretty obvious that the boy in the OP is quite used to cadging bread (& probably other prohibited food) off of people besides his mum. It's just that the others have learnt to keep their mouths shut about it, and OP was too honest.

BeCool · 29/05/2014 17:37

Being vegan is a red herring surely as most bread, even mainstream stuff, is suitable for vegans.

It's the fact that the bread wasn't raw she didn't like but even raw foodies eat some cooked food (well according to Wikipedia anyway).

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