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If you voted UKIP - what are you hoping will happen

265 replies

Lemiserableoldgimmer · 26/05/2014 16:27

..with all the immigrants who've come to the UK over the past few years?

Given that I suspect you think there are far too many here and that they are a major cause of our current housing and jobs shortage?

Just asking! :-)

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Caitlin17 · 26/05/2014 17:34

On housing the existence of immigrants prepared to work for less than a minimum wage has little effect on housing other than it encourages bad landlords (and contrary to popular belief on here the majority of landlords are not evil) to let out over-crowded, badly maintained property which fails to meet housing standards.

The answers to these problems are employers pay decent wages and local authority housing officers use their powers to deal with slum property.

I did not vote for UKIP. The results frighten me. I see England veering to the far right and Scotland veering to the far left.

I'm worried this result will give a boost to the independence campaign as a means of distancing Scotland from what's going on in England. I'm very disappointed that none of Labour, Conservative or Lib Dems did well.

Lemiserableoldgimmer · 26/05/2014 17:35

Immigrants not voting - how would this impact on what percentage of all votes in the ward going to ukip?

Poor areas tend to have lower turn out, but logic would suggest that in my area UKIP voters would account for a higher proportion of those who did turn out, assuming that it is true that high levels of immigration are impacting negatively on communities like mine.

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Caitlin17 · 26/05/2014 17:37

If you voted Conservative or Labour what are you hoping will happen to the all the immigrants"?

I voted Labour. Immigration wasn't a factor in any way, shape or form in making my decision.

TucsonGirl · 26/05/2014 17:41

It's a myth that all UK nationals living in EU countries would be made to leave if we left the EU. British people live all over the world and have done for much longer than the EU has been in existence.There are plenty of people from non-Eu countries living in the EU and plenty of people from EU countries living in non-EU countries. So I don't see the reasoning at all.

Neverknowingly · 26/05/2014 17:41

I was thinking of that last night Havant and 1930's Berlin. Sleepwalking into a nightmare. I did have a word with myself and can only hope cooler heads prevail in the generals.

How just how do you vote for a party that has no published manifesto?

The worry now is that they take this as permission to make it very right wing.

Retropear · 26/05/2014 17:47

Havant like 1930s Berlin.SeriouslyHmm

Kind of getting sick of over dramatic comments like this,they really undermine and belittle the horror those who were actually there would have gone through.

whynowblowwind · 26/05/2014 17:51

I didn't vote but I hope whoever gets in means we leave Europe.

HavantGuard · 26/05/2014 17:51

Economic crisis leading to popular support for an extremist party that demonise a specific group, labelling them outsiders, and stir up nationalist feeling.

CrystalSkulls · 26/05/2014 17:54

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 26/05/2014 17:55

They had a manifesto in 2010, a nasty and quite vile piece of work. Pretty much summed up their policies.

Retropear · 26/05/2014 17:58

Sorry but what the Jews went through in 1930s Berlin was a world away from 2014 UK in the run up to a Euro election won by Ukip.Hmm

It's the over dramatic hysteria that is helping Ukip to gain popularity.People clearly have an issue with Europe(a democratic elected maj actually). The attempt by some to squash such views with character assassinations,hysteria and over inflating is simply creating an own goal situation.

mrsruffallo · 26/05/2014 17:59

Never Knowingly- Disgraceful comparison.

mrsruffallo · 26/05/2014 18:00

Yes, eurosceptics are obviously on a par with fascists. Are you new labour? The glibness would suggest so.

Lemiserableoldgimmer · 26/05/2014 18:02

Retro - you believe that there can be no return to violent large scale racist behaviour and discrimination?

It can't happen here?

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Retropear · 26/05/2014 18:03

And so it goes on.

HavantGuard · 26/05/2014 18:03

Have you seen the French results?

"The FN has pledged to close France's borders to stop "the free movement of the Roma", (foreign) delinquents and "cheap foreign labour", to ditch the euro and return to the franc, to end free trade agreements with America, and "to defend, in all circumstances, our values, our identity, our traditions and our way of life"

Darkesteyes · 26/05/2014 18:03

I HATE UKIP and the Tories.

I used to vote Labour but after experiencing some of their Tory Lite policies and hearing Rachel Reeves spout on about being even tougher than the Tories and the fact that they also have a very similar stance on workfare that the Tories do I doubt I will be voting Labour again. I DONT like the way they are pitting the working poor against the non working poor either. Red Tories.

I voted Green the last two times including this time.

Lemiserableoldgimmer · 26/05/2014 18:05

Nobody is saying euro sceptics are all violent facists.

But there are many, many angry people in the UK who blame immigrants as well as the immigration and the government for the hardships they are suffering.

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IndiansInTheLobby · 26/05/2014 18:05

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whynowblowwind · 26/05/2014 18:06

Could you share here Indians?

TucsonGirl · 26/05/2014 18:06

What good does being in the EU bring? Specifically, that could not be done were we not in the EU?

WickedWitchoftheNorthWest · 26/05/2014 18:07

Tucson of course there are Brits living in non EU countries in accordance with those countries' rules, i.e. Having a certain amount of money to invest or getting a work visa. But the vast majority of Brits living in eau countries are there with the same rights as most other European immigrants are in the UK - that is, due to membership in the EU. If UKIP manages to get the UK out of the European Union those Brits in the EU would lose their automatic right to be there just as surely as Poles, Hungarians etc would lose their automatic right to be here. Surely that's all pretty obvious?

TucsonGirl · 26/05/2014 18:09

Even if they lost out on their automatic right to be there, it doesn't necessarily follow that they'd be forced to leave.

Lemiserableoldgimmer · 26/05/2014 18:09

I'm asking you a sincere question Retropear. Do you believe that immigrants will be able to live safely in this country among a population deeply anxious about housing and employment, if a government gets in which clearly labels immigration as the chief source of these two ills.particularly when that government had no policies other than reducing the number of immigrants to remedy these ills?

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whynowblowwind · 26/05/2014 18:10

Just about everybody I know living elsewhere in Europe is retired, though - went there to buy a property and live there for retirement. I know there are exceptions but I don't know any families with young children who have gone to live in Poland, Hungary, Latvia or Russia.

By contrast, DS is in Year 2 and there are seven children in his class from Eastern Europe; I doubt if you went to Eastern Europe you'd find seven English children in a typical Latvian primary school class - or would you? Genuine question :)